Re: If pac lost to marquez at lightweight would the bubble burst?
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Originally Posted by
Majesty
I kind of find it funny how the fight MUST be at 147 or 145 and such they say for Manny.
When always leading up to his fights against bigger men they say they have to feed him a lot of food just to make him make the weight and he still winds up in the lower 140s at the weigh ins.
If he has to eat like a horse to make 144 then what's the problem of eating right and making 140? Roach says he is naturaly walk around at 140 anyway so what's the problem of making a catch weight like 138?
It's funny how people make it sound like manny would be giving up 15 pounds to move all the way down to 135. He wouldn't. He wasn't weighing 150, his opponents were, and he had to eat like crazy to make 144 even. So why is it he has so much trouble getting as high as 144, but him moving down to 135 is a stretch when reality if he didn't eat like a horse he'd probably come in weighing 140 anyway.
Well you know why they want a fight at 147? Because they want the advantage. In business, politics, or war, whichever side has the leverage will use it. Just like why did Floyd fought JMM at welterweight and not boil down to fight JMM at 140? Because he has the power to do so. Why did De La Hoya make Hopkins boil down to a 156 catchweight for his titles? Because he can. Ring size, glove size, purse split, and yes weight class is determined by the A-side between 2 fighters. Surely you understand this do you?;)
And no it's not double standards to use whatever leverage you have in business. And yes boxing is a business. IF the other party thinks it's too unfair then don't accept.
On the record I do think Pac should fight JMM at 140 if they are going to fight. 1 guy goes up 1 guy goes down.
Re: If pac lost to marquez at lightweight would the bubble burst?
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Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
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Originally Posted by
Majesty
I kind of find it funny how the fight MUST be at 147 or 145 and such they say for Manny.
When always leading up to his fights against bigger men they say they have to feed him a lot of food just to make him make the weight and he still winds up in the lower 140s at the weigh ins.
If he has to eat like a horse to make 144 then what's the problem of eating right and making 140? Roach says he is naturaly walk around at 140 anyway so what's the problem of making a catch weight like 138?
It's funny how people make it sound like manny would be giving up 15 pounds to move all the way down to 135. He wouldn't. He wasn't weighing 150, his opponents were, and he had to eat like crazy to make 144 even. So why is it he has so much trouble getting as high as 144, but him moving down to 135 is a stretch when reality if he didn't eat like a horse he'd probably come in weighing 140 anyway.
Well you know why they want a fight at 147? Because they want the advantage. In business, politics, or war, whichever side has the leverage will use it. Just like why did Floyd fought JMM at welterweight and not boil down to fight JMM at 140? Because he has the power to do so. Why did De La Hoya make Hopkins boil down to a 156 catchweight for his titles? Because he can. Ring size, glove size, purse split, and yes weight class is determined by the A-side between 2 fighters. Surely you understand this do you?;)
And no it's not double standards to use whatever leverage you have in business. And yes boxing is a business. IF the other party thinks it's too unfair then don't accept.
On the record I do think Pac should fight JMM at 140 if they are going to fight. 1 guy goes up 1 guy goes down.
Yes but the thing is Pacquiao has the power to make Marquez come up to 147 but the point is, he can easily make 140 or lower himself and its a selling point that he fights that so low compared to others in the division. Floyd I can consider more or less a welterweight at this point, I don't see him making 140 anytime soon. Pacquiao on the other hand has to eat to make 144, so Pacquiao may have the power to call for a higher weight but he is the one in a big enough position to accommodate moving down to fight Marquez at an equal weight. So it would be worse to make Marquez move up because Pacquiao would have no issues making Marquez's weight. And he nor his promoters should try to perveive otherwise. It's one thing to make someone come to your weight because you can't move down anymore. It's another thing to make someone move up to a weight when you can easily move down to theirs.
And I didn't know Oscar made Hopkins weigh so low, I thought Hopkins did that intentionally or something to fool them into thinking he'd be at a disadvantage
