Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
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Taeth
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ross
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killersheep
Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.
Exactly, Mosely relied on speed and whatever he got found guilty of using. Now he has slowed down hes not as effective. Notice in the Mayorga fight, Ricardo was outboxing him and Mosely has the energy to land a decent few shots in the final seconds but also doesnt need to be tested;)
Marquez is a much better boxer than Mosely and has already proven he has Mannys number. Ok Morales beat him but in the rematches he couldnt repeat that but Marquez will always handle Manny.
This is a daft question.
"JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?"
Marquez would do better against Manny and not Floyd because Floyd is better than Manny! Simples!!
Sorry where was Ricardo outboxing Mosley in that fight, it was awkward, but Mosley was landing way better shots than Mayorga was. At no point was Mayorga really winning rounds, he was just making in an awkward fight. HE was landing like 10% of his punches against Shane.
Shane's performance against Margarito was considered arguably his best ever, he looked good against Collazo and Cotto who are really good and great fighters respectively.
Honestly Mora would be hard for anyone to look good against, he has a slick style that was almost B-hopish with a jab that night. There is no way that Mosley was going to look good against that style, and I wondered why he ever took that fight because unless he stopped MOra it was ugly, but he should have won that fight and landed way more punches than Mora. I'm not even sure Floyd or Manny would have looked good against Mora. It's just a pain in the ass style to deal with.
Mosley still has tremendous speed, and more than enough of it to land on Manny, he has that cracking power when he really lands, he hits so hard to the body, and he's probably as durable as anyone has been in boxing's history. I mean he has taken some helacious punches in his career. I think you put a guy like Manny who likes to fight and use speed, and we have Mosley at his absolute best in an absolute war.
ummm Mayorga wasn't winning rounds? the fight was almost even going into the final round, that's why the last minute KO was such a big deal
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.
Exactly, Mosely relied on speed and whatever he got found guilty of using. Now he has slowed down hes not as effective. Notice in the Mayorga fight, Ricardo was outboxing him and Mosely has the energy to land a decent few shots in the final seconds but also doesnt need to be tested;)
Marquez is a much better boxer than Mosely and has already proven he has Mannys number. Ok Morales beat him but in the rematches he couldnt repeat that but Marquez will always handle Manny.
This is a daft question.
"JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?"
Marquez would do better against Manny and not Floyd because Floyd is better than Manny! Simples!!
JMM has no chance above 140 . Look for Pac camp to set it at 147. Pac would not fight Cotto at 147 always manipulated to what suits Pac advantage thus no Mayweather fight. Floyd will never give Pac an advantage !
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
I think Mosley and JMM should fight each other with the winner fighting Pacman in May. I would rather see Pac fighting a young lion in Berto then to see him fight a now undeserving fighter in SSM and a small Jr Welter in JMM whom he has beat already. Or another way of putting this; If its not PBF then what is the point of any fight from here on out?
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
Because a counter puncher is what gives Pac trouble and that is what Marquez is good at. Marquez causes Pac more trouble than Shane IMO. Although I'd like to see a fight between Pac and Marquez at Lightweight.
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
i'd like to see pac-marquez at 142-144lbs with mosley-berto as an undercard. if pac gets passed marquez which i expect he would, then let manny fight the mosley-berto winner. if mosley beat berto it shows he still has something, while a berto victory gives him a named opponent into his resume.
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
If Marquez was more tested above 140, we'd be able to provide you a better answer. Why are you so certain that Mosley would beat Marquez at 147? In my opinion, that is the fight that should be made and the winner should get Pac.
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
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ElTerribleMorales
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Taeth
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ross
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killersheep
Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.
Exactly, Mosely relied on speed and whatever he got found guilty of using. Now he has slowed down hes not as effective. Notice in the Mayorga fight, Ricardo was outboxing him and Mosely has the energy to land a decent few shots in the final seconds but also doesnt need to be tested;)
Marquez is a much better boxer than Mosely and has already proven he has Mannys number. Ok Morales beat him but in the rematches he couldnt repeat that but Marquez will always handle Manny.
This is a daft question.
"JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?"
Marquez would do better against Manny and not Floyd because Floyd is better than Manny! Simples!!
Sorry where was Ricardo outboxing Mosley in that fight, it was awkward, but Mosley was landing way better shots than Mayorga was. At no point was Mayorga really winning rounds, he was just making in an awkward fight. HE was landing like 10% of his punches against Shane.
Shane's performance against Margarito was considered arguably his best ever, he looked good against Collazo and Cotto who are really good and great fighters respectively.
Honestly Mora would be hard for anyone to look good against, he has a slick style that was almost B-hopish with a jab that night. There is no way that Mosley was going to look good against that style, and I wondered why he ever took that fight because unless he stopped MOra it was ugly, but he should have won that fight and landed way more punches than Mora. I'm not even sure Floyd or Manny would have looked good against Mora. It's just a pain in the ass style to deal with.
Mosley still has tremendous speed, and more than enough of it to land on Manny, he has that cracking power when he really lands, he hits so hard to the body, and he's probably as durable as anyone has been in boxing's history. I mean he has taken some helacious punches in his career. I think you put a guy like Manny who likes to fight and use speed, and we have Mosley at his absolute best in an absolute war.
ummm Mayorga wasn't winning rounds? the fight was almost even going into the final round, that's why the last minute KO was such a big deal
lol watch the fight again, Mayorga wasn't landing anything, if you give rounds for just coming forward and looking awkward, then all the best to you.
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
Shane is more viable than JMM at welter because he is a legitimate fighter at that weight. I would prefer to see Pac fight Berto however.
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
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Shane is more viable than JMM at welter because he is a legitimate fighter at that weight. I would prefer to see Pac fight Berto however.
Maybe harsh but just dont think Berto has the mental make up right now to go after and maintain vs Manny though his handspeed is obvious. Seems we've been waiting forever for that 'break out' fight.
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
its beacuse mosley is shot and there are shadows hanging over the previous 2 fights with pac and jmm......jmm has a bit more tp offer the mosley in turns of whats left in the tank and the style thats had pacman in truble.......people would want to see a final chapter on the matter
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
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Taeth
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
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Originally Posted by
ross
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killersheep
Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.
Exactly, Mosely relied on speed and whatever he got found guilty of using. Now he has slowed down hes not as effective. Notice in the Mayorga fight, Ricardo was outboxing him and Mosely has the energy to land a decent few shots in the final seconds but also doesnt need to be tested;)
Marquez is a much better boxer than Mosely and has already proven he has Mannys number. Ok Morales beat him but in the rematches he couldnt repeat that but Marquez will always handle Manny.
This is a daft question.
"JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?"
Marquez would do better against Manny and not Floyd because Floyd is better than Manny! Simples!!
Sorry where was Ricardo outboxing Mosley in that fight, it was awkward, but Mosley was landing way better shots than Mayorga was. At no point was Mayorga really winning rounds, he was just making in an awkward fight. HE was landing like 10% of his punches against Shane.
Shane's performance against Margarito was considered arguably his best ever, he looked good against Collazo and Cotto who are really good and great fighters respectively.
Honestly Mora would be hard for anyone to look good against, he has a slick style that was almost B-hopish with a jab that night. There is no way that Mosley was going to look good against that style, and I wondered why he ever took that fight because unless he stopped MOra it was ugly, but he should have won that fight and landed way more punches than Mora. I'm not even sure Floyd or Manny would have looked good against Mora. It's just a pain in the ass style to deal with.
Mosley still has tremendous speed, and more than enough of it to land on Manny, he has that cracking power when he really lands, he hits so hard to the body, and he's probably as durable as anyone has been in boxing's history. I mean he has taken some helacious punches in his career. I think you put a guy like Manny who likes to fight and use speed, and we have Mosley at his absolute best in an absolute war.
ummm Mayorga wasn't winning rounds? the fight was almost even going into the final round, that's why the last minute KO was such a big deal
lol watch the fight again, Mayorga wasn't landing anything, if you give rounds for just coming forward and looking awkward, then all the best to you.
scores going into the fight were Tony Crebs 107-102 (Mosley), Pat Russell 104-105 (Mayorga), Nelson Vazquez 105-104 (Mosley), think you need to rewatch the fight, why is it not shocking that Taeth once again thinks he's the all knowing poster when FACT is that Mayorga was very much in the fight ON THE SCORECARDS
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
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Taeth
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Mosley has had one good performance in the last 6-7 years.
Do you watch boxing? Cotto, Collazo, Vargas II, Margarito. He would have had more, but there were long stretches where he was trying to get big fights.
He was just ok against Cotto though. He looked good against a finished Vargas and Collazo broke his hand in the 2nd round of the fight with Mosley, after initially looking very good.
The only really good performance came against Margarito.
He was poor against Mayorga, Estrada, Cruz, 1st Vargas fight, Mayweather (apart from that punch in the 2nd) and finally against Mora.
He quite clearly doesn't have enough in the tank to deal with Pacquiao's movements as the fight goes on. He was clearly gassed against floyd. Against Pacquiao it would be much worse as he would have to fight at a higher tempo. I think it would be a terrible fight in all honesty. Wouldn't even be remotely close.
Marquez - Pacquiao is much more interesting.
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
Do you think Marquez vs. Pacquiao at 147 would be more interesting?
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
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Do you think Marquez vs. Pacquiao at 147 would be more interesting?
No but at 140lb it would be but that will not happen, Pac will not give JMM that advantage.
