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Miles there is a quote that I don't remember verbatim but the gist is you'd rather have control over a school board than a legistlation. Basically if you control the education system then ultimately you will control the politics. My college experience was that many of my professors had never worked in the private sector and were woefully disconnected from reality. Whether they consciously lectured a certain way I can't say but considering their job it was of course in their best interest to promote and foster big gov't ideals.
Re: Democrat or Republican
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VictorCharlie
Miles there is a quote that I don't remember verbatim but the gist is you'd rather have control over a school board than a legistlation. Basically if you control the education system then ultimately you will control the politics. My college experience was that many of my professors had never worked in the private sector and were woefully disconnected from reality. Whether they consciously lectured a certain way I can't say but considering their job it was of course in their best interest to promote and foster big gov't ideals.
I don't see the connection really. Sure a school board can influence viewpoints, but ultimately big corporations are funding elections and the parties are setting the agenda. I don't think the views of ordinary people are reflected in US party politics.
As for academics, I would be surprised if Bilbo's figure was accurate. How can you measure such a stat? I think academia is a more open avenue than politics, but having said that these people would be foolish for going against the grain too strongly. Chomsky has lectured on this, most people are just looking for their niche and they stay within it. You don't defy the system and try to break it. I look at my own degree in politics to see how much I have rebelled from the prescribed course. You will get liberal professors, but those who have influence are more likely to be from the conservative areas.
Re: Democrat or Republican
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miles
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VictorCharlie
Miles there is a quote that I don't remember verbatim but the gist is you'd rather have control over a school board than a legistlation. Basically if you control the education system then ultimately you will control the politics. My college experience was that many of my professors had never worked in the private sector and were woefully disconnected from reality. Whether they consciously lectured a certain way I can't say but considering their job it was of course in their best interest to promote and foster big gov't ideals.
I don't see the connection really. Sure a school board can influence viewpoints, but ultimately big corporations are funding elections and the parties are setting the agenda. I don't think the views of ordinary people are reflected in US party politics.
As for academics, I would be surprised if Bilbo's figure was accurate. How can you measure such a stat? I think academia is a more open avenue than politics, but having said that these people would be foolish for going against the grain too strongly. Chomsky has lectured on this, most people are just looking for their niche and they stay within it. You don't defy the system and try to break it. I look at my own degree in politics to see how much I have rebelled from the prescribed course. You will get liberal professors, but those who have influence are more likely to be from the conservative areas.
I can't find the exact article but if you google 'Why are professors liberals' you will see it's a very well known truth and one that sociologists have tried to determine why.
Browsing some of the articles it looks like an quite interesting subject with all kinds of different, and polarising viewpoints. If you read up on it we can argue over the conclusions and add a whole new reportoire to our debates.
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Bilbo
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miles
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VictorCharlie
Miles there is a quote that I don't remember verbatim but the gist is you'd rather have control over a school board than a legistlation. Basically if you control the education system then ultimately you will control the politics. My college experience was that many of my professors had never worked in the private sector and were woefully disconnected from reality. Whether they consciously lectured a certain way I can't say but considering their job it was of course in their best interest to promote and foster big gov't ideals.
I don't see the connection really. Sure a school board can influence viewpoints, but ultimately big corporations are funding elections and the parties are setting the agenda. I don't think the views of ordinary people are reflected in US party politics.
As for academics, I would be surprised if Bilbo's figure was accurate. How can you measure such a stat? I think academia is a more open avenue than politics, but having said that these people would be foolish for going against the grain too strongly. Chomsky has lectured on this, most people are just looking for their niche and they stay within it. You don't defy the system and try to break it. I look at my own degree in politics to see how much I have rebelled from the prescribed course. You will get liberal professors, but those who have influence are more likely to be from the conservative areas.
I can't find the exact article but if you google 'Why are professors liberals' you will see it's a very well known truth and one that sociologists have tried to determine why.
Browsing some of the articles it looks like an quite interesting subject with all kinds of different, and polarising viewpoints. If you read up on it we can argue over the conclusions and add a whole new reportoire to our debates.
Possibly a good idea, I will think about that. My current thing is superhero's and villains though.
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miles
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Bilbo
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miles
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VictorCharlie
Miles there is a quote that I don't remember verbatim but the gist is you'd rather have control over a school board than a legistlation. Basically if you control the education system then ultimately you will control the politics. My college experience was that many of my professors had never worked in the private sector and were woefully disconnected from reality. Whether they consciously lectured a certain way I can't say but considering their job it was of course in their best interest to promote and foster big gov't ideals.
I don't see the connection really. Sure a school board can influence viewpoints, but ultimately big corporations are funding elections and the parties are setting the agenda. I don't think the views of ordinary people are reflected in US party politics.
As for academics, I would be surprised if Bilbo's figure was accurate. How can you measure such a stat? I think academia is a more open avenue than politics, but having said that these people would be foolish for going against the grain too strongly. Chomsky has lectured on this, most people are just looking for their niche and they stay within it. You don't defy the system and try to break it. I look at my own degree in politics to see how much I have rebelled from the prescribed course. You will get liberal professors, but those who have influence are more likely to be from the conservative areas.
I can't find the exact article but if you google 'Why are professors liberals' you will see it's a very well known truth and one that sociologists have tried to determine why.
Browsing some of the articles it looks like an quite interesting subject with all kinds of different, and polarising viewpoints. If you read up on it we can argue over the conclusions and add a whole new reportoire to our debates.
Possibly a good idea, I will think about that. My current thing is superhero's and villains though.
haha this is a try to stay calm week and lower your blood pressure week yeah?
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Bilbo
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miles
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
miles
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VictorCharlie
Miles there is a quote that I don't remember verbatim but the gist is you'd rather have control over a school board than a legistlation. Basically if you control the education system then ultimately you will control the politics. My college experience was that many of my professors had never worked in the private sector and were woefully disconnected from reality. Whether they consciously lectured a certain way I can't say but considering their job it was of course in their best interest to promote and foster big gov't ideals.
I don't see the connection really. Sure a school board can influence viewpoints, but ultimately big corporations are funding elections and the parties are setting the agenda. I don't think the views of ordinary people are reflected in US party politics.
As for academics, I would be surprised if Bilbo's figure was accurate. How can you measure such a stat? I think academia is a more open avenue than politics, but having said that these people would be foolish for going against the grain too strongly. Chomsky has lectured on this, most people are just looking for their niche and they stay within it. You don't defy the system and try to break it. I look at my own degree in politics to see how much I have rebelled from the prescribed course. You will get liberal professors, but those who have influence are more likely to be from the conservative areas.
I can't find the exact article but if you google 'Why are professors liberals' you will see it's a very well known truth and one that sociologists have tried to determine why.
Browsing some of the articles it looks like an quite interesting subject with all kinds of different, and polarising viewpoints. If you read up on it we can argue over the conclusions and add a whole new reportoire to our debates.
Possibly a good idea, I will think about that. My current thing is superhero's and villains though.
haha this is a try to stay calm week and lower your blood pressure week yeah?
Not really, but I don't really start so many of those types of threads these days. My politics quota is much reduced. Though I will comment given the opportunity. In a veiled way, I guess my other threads do act in a similar kind of way.
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republican
give me right wing idealism over left wing liberalism every day of the week
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VictorCharlie
You left off Libertarian and Green Party. But to answer the question I vote Libertarian.
What is a libertarian?
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VictorCharlie
You left off Libertarian and Green Party. But to answer the question I vote Libertarian.
Ha I was a card carrying libertarian from 18 - 26, preaching the same things as you are now. The older I get the more liberal I get.
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killersheep
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VictorCharlie
You left off Libertarian and Green Party. But to answer the question I vote Libertarian.
Ha I was a card carrying libertarian from 18 - 26, preaching the same things as you are now. The older I get the more liberal I get.
What are they then?
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Master
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VictorCharlie
You left off Libertarian and Green Party. But to answer the question I vote Libertarian.
What is a libertarian?
Anarchy with an army that maintains a belief system in money that is backed by a commodity.
;D
From what I understand Libertarian has a far different meaning elsewhere in the world.
As with all parties there are different views of what Libertarian means, especially as far as it goes. When I was in the party the talk was to abolish the IRS, get rid of the federal reserve, get rid of all entitlement programs, open the borders and make sure the constitution is followed to the letter. There were those that wanted to further privatize things such as all schools, police, fire, postal service etc.
Basically the Ayn Rand's fictional heroes.
Since that time, the GOP (republicans) have had a greater influence and have moved some of the candidates to a less far right ideology, more in line with the general public.
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killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
VictorCharlie
You left off Libertarian and Green Party. But to answer the question I vote Libertarian.
What is a libertarian?
Anarchy with an army that maintains a belief system in money that is backed by a commodity.
;D
From what I understand Libertarian has a far different meaning elsewhere in the world.
As with all parties there are different views of what Libertarian means, especially as far as it goes. When I was in the party the talk was to abolish the IRS, get rid of the federal reserve, get rid of all entitlement programs, open the borders and make sure the constitution is followed to the letter. There were those that wanted to further privatize things such as all schools, police, fire, postal service etc.
Basically the Ayn Rand's fictional heroes.
Since that time, the GOP (republicans) have had a greater influence and have moved some of the candidates to a less far right ideology, more in line with the general public.
That sounds like socialism or maybe even communism.
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Master
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
VictorCharlie
You left off Libertarian and Green Party. But to answer the question I vote Libertarian.
What is a libertarian?
Anarchy with an army that maintains a belief system in money that is backed by a commodity.
;D
From what I understand Libertarian has a far different meaning elsewhere in the world.
As with all parties there are different views of what Libertarian means, especially as far as it goes. When I was in the party the talk was to abolish the IRS, get rid of the federal reserve, get rid of all entitlement programs, open the borders and make sure the constitution is followed to the letter. There were those that wanted to further privatize things such as all schools, police, fire, postal service etc.
Basically the Ayn Rand's fictional heroes.
Since that time, the GOP (republicans) have had a greater influence and have moved some of the candidates to a less far right ideology, more in line with the general public.
That sounds like socialism or maybe even communism.
Opposite of that, everything is privatized. No social programs.
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
VictorCharlie
You left off Libertarian and Green Party. But to answer the question I vote Libertarian.
What is a libertarian?
Anarchy with an army that maintains a belief system in money that is backed by a commodity.
;D
From what I understand Libertarian has a far different meaning elsewhere in the world.
As with all parties there are different views of what Libertarian means, especially as far as it goes. When I was in the party the talk was to abolish the IRS, get rid of the federal reserve, get rid of all entitlement programs, open the borders and make sure the constitution is followed to the letter. There were those that wanted to further privatize things such as all schools, police, fire, postal service etc.
Basically the Ayn Rand's fictional heroes.
Since that time, the GOP (republicans) have had a greater influence and have moved some of the candidates to a less far right ideology, more in line with the general public.
That sounds like socialism or maybe even communism.
Opposite of that, everything is privatized. No social programs.
Ultra right wing, Lyle style.
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Master,
Libertarian ideals are to maximize personal liberties and minimize gov't, specifically by a strict interpretation of the Constitution in regards to the federal govt. Yes those who follow a strict libertarian code would be safely described in Killer's post, but its not necessarily a lock step party. While I have met Libertarians that champion all private road ways most live in the real world and understand where to pick and choose their battles. The Libertarian and Green Party are the only two viable (I use the phrase loosely) parties with any real principles, integrity and intellectual honesty.
