Re: 70 Greatest Mexican Fighters Ever
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Violent Demise
One of the hardest lists to come up with in Boxing is a Greatest Mexican fighters ever list. The top 5 ain't to hard. In a Top 10 you already start seeing a difference of opinion. Top 20 and you already looking at a bunch of different lists. Mexico's has had so many great fighters that it's pretty hard for a fan with good knowledge to accurately rank them. Truth be told not everybody should be allowed to make a list. Cuz it's that hard. Even a expert will find it challenging. Good thing for y'all muthafukkas here, The Boxing encyclopedia Violent D himself frequents these boards. And he works the graveyard shift where 4 out of the 8 hours at work he literally don't do shit. So he gifts you guys the top 70 Greatest Mexican Fighters list ever. I could of gone to a 150 on this. So yes there are some fighters that were left out. But I stand by my choices and it's the closet to accurate list you can possibly get. Anybody that disagrees is free to give there reason why. Anybody that disagrees just to disagree can go fuck themselves.
- Ruben Olivares
- Julio Cesar Chavez
- Ricardo Lopez
- Juan Manuel Márquez
- Baby Arizmendi
- Miguel Canto
- Erik Morales
- Carlos Zarate
- Vicente Saldivar
- Salvador Sanchez
- Carlos Palomino
- Marco Antonio Barrera
- Rafael Marquez
- Chalky Wright
- Fernando Montiel
- Humberto Gonzalez
- Gilberto Roman
- Daniel Zaragoza
- Rafael Herrera
- Lupe Pintor
- Battling Shaw
- Israel Vazquez
- Pipino Cuevas
- José Luis Castillo
- Jose Luis Ramirez
- Kid Azteca
- Antonio Margarito
- Juan Zurita
- Alfonso Zamora
- Cristian Mijares
- Marcos Villasana
- Jose Becerra
- Jesús Pimentel
- Jorge Arce
- Hugo Fidel Cazares
- Rodolfo Gonzalez
- Raul Perez
- Humberto Soto
- Rafael Limon
- Jorge Paez Sr
- Guty Espadas Sr
- Julio Cesar Borboa
- Victor Rabanales
- Ulises Solis
- Manuel Medina
- José Luis López
- Miguel Angel Gonzalez
- Lauro Salas
- Alberto Jimenez
- Giovanni Segura
- Edgar Sosa
- Chucho Castillo
- Carlos Gonzalez
- Jhonny Gonzalez
- Yory Boy Campas
- Omar Niño Romero
- Antonio Avelar
- Juan Jose Estrada
- Miguel Vázquez
- Raul Garcia
- Jesús Chávez
- Alejandro Gonzalez
- Gabriel Ruelas
- Oscar Larios
- Rafael Ruelas
- Martin Castillo
- Efren Torres
- Daniel Ponce de León
- Julio Diaz
- Cesar Soto
Great list VD this is why i've always said, your one of the most knowledgable posters i've ever met.
But i have to say i think Ruben
Castillo maybe a little bit overrated being ranked number 1, i haven't seen loads of his fights. I've seen quite a few though and know a bit about him.
But im no expert by any means, but he only made 6 defenses at Bantamweight right ? and when he moved up he was unsuccesful mostly.
His best wins above Bantamweight were against young Ramirez, Chacon. But he failed against Kotey, Lopez, Arguello, Pedroza.
Now i realize this is above his best weightclass, but did he really dominate enough at Bantamweight to be ranked number 1 ?
I presume you mean Olivares ICE ?
Yea my bad total mistype there.
Re: 70 Greatest Mexican Fighters Ever
IMO
Lopez should be #1
Manuel Medina should be above Guty Espadas(Too high)
Christian Mijares is too high at #30
Morales and Barrera should be above Marquez(Too high at #4)
Oscar Larios should be above ALejandro Gonzalez, Raul Garcia, Omar Nino, Edgar Sosa
Damn 70 names that's a good effort.
Re: 70 Greatest Mexican Fighters Ever
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IMO
Lopez should be #1
Manuel Medina should be above Guty Espadas(Too high)
Christian Mijares is too high at #30
Morales and Barrera should be above Marquez(Too high at #4)
Oscar Larios should be above ALejandro Gonzalez, Raul Garcia, Omar Nino, Edgar Sosa
Damn 70 names that's a good effort.
It took a lot for me not to put Lopez at number 1. I rate him extremely high. But Oliveras and Chavez I think did enough to trump him. Marquez is fine where he's at. His losses prevent him from being higher. But really you can only punish a fighter for being robbed so much. That fact that he didn't get wins he deserved cuz of moronic judging is unfortunately held against him. But I'm not gonna punish him to the extreme. Morales I can make a case for. But I see no way I can rank Barrera ahead of Marquez.
The Espadas listed is the Espadas from the late 70's. The Flyweight champion. Not his son that fought Erik Morales. Medina lost to pretty much only good fighters. But he lost to them way more than he beat them. Espadas I think deserves to be ahead of him
I'm a take care of something right quick. I'll come back and answer Ice and Maui's questions regarding Oliveras and Cuevas
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My man thats a killer list and some serious depth!! Fooking nice. Numbers tend to make me dizzy but off the top Campas has struck me as pretty pumped up. Great numbers but seemed to find the door in more then a few L's. I'd put Larios and Gabe over him.
J.M Lopez was a gem undiscovered mostly. Damn monster but got in his own way. Would put Miquel A. Gonzalez over....J Gonzalez, Raton Jimenez too
Bolio always pissed me off. 53 a bit too high for me....got fat and sold on own power. Awesome list bro, really!
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I'd love to hear your thoughts on where Pipino Cuevas fits. One of the very few teenage champs and for about five years was an absolute wrecking machine. He started slow and finished terribly, but man those dozen or so fights in the middle? He was every bit as destructive as Mike Tyson was for his dozen best. I wish he and Palomino had gotten together.
Talk about a complex fighter. I think I was more than fair in his ranking. If anything a little to fair. Might of placed a little to high. He gets credit for being the youngest welterweight champion ever at 18. I doubt that ever gets broken. Who his team paid off to get a title shot with a 15-6 record and coming off a loss, I have no idea. But he took advantage of his undeserved title opportunity by slaughtering a good fighter in Angel Espada. Cuevas was as one-dimensional as they came. But that one dimension was a demonic left hook. That was literally breaking jaws. Espada and Harold Weston had to eat through straws after facing him. His 11 title defenses I believe it was is a hella impressive. But like you brought up in the Orlando Canizales case it was never an undisputed title he was defending. The welterweight title was already splintered. He was done after the Hearns fight
