Printable View
Yup another thread where everyone says what they've said a million times before. So I'll say my piece again. My as well.
Urine sampling is a joke and detects FUCK ALL!
All Floyd is asking for is a fair and even fight.
Only unclean athletes refuse/run from testing.
Refusing a test is the same as failing one.
A clean athlete will usually jump at the chance to prove that they are clean.
then don't make baseless accusations or stfu!Quote:
Originally Posted by hornfinger
duh he already is.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
this is the second floyd hating thread you've started and I've only just started going through the threads. Just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Read the post again.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnythen don't make baseless accusations or stfu!Quote:
Originally Posted by hornfinger
Clean athletes don't refuse/run from tests - Pac did
Refusing a test is the same as failing one (look it up) - Pac has refused numerous times
A clean athlete will usually jump at the chance to prove he is clean - when has pac shown even the slightest urge to prove he is clean?
Those are the FACTS. Done and dusted, nothing left to say.
You are not updated with the facts, are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
First of all, Manny did not refuse the drug test. He had been undergoing it every fight. The disagreement in the first negotiation is the timing of the drug test.
Go forward to the second negotiation, Manny agreed to the drug test timing terms of Floyd. What did Floyd do? Go on vacation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerYou are not updated with the facts, are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
First of all, Manny did not refuse the drug test. He had been undergoing it every fight. The disagreement in the first negotiation is the timing of the drug test.
Go forward to the second negotiation, Manny agreed to the drug test timing terms of Floyd. What did Floyd do? Go on vacation.
Has manny taken a test? No
I'm not interested in the excuses 'timing' 'needles' 'the easter bunny' 'floyd on vacation'
Has manny taken an idependent random test? no.
Done.
Can you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerCan you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
Manny's name is unsullied in the first place. There is no need to do anyhting to answer baseless allegations.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerCan you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
Floyd and Shane had their last blood test taken 18 days before their fight. Manny had agreed to Mayweather's terms in the second negotiation which is up until 14 days before the fight. Would this drug test have been good enough for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerCan you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
Like what marbleheadmaui wrote, "Manny's name is unsullied in the first place".
There was no stipulation to 18 days before. Random means just that, it could be 1 day before it could be 20 days before. Neither shane or floyd knew the last test would be 18 days out.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerFloyd and Shane had their last blood test taken 18 days before their fight. Manny had agreed to Mayweather's terms in the second negotiation which is up until 14 days before the fight. Would this drug test have been good enough for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerCan you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
Like what marbleheadmaui wrote, "Manny's name is unsullied in the first place".
what you have just written has NO baring what so ever on the question mark over manny's head.
Manny tried to stipulate no testing 14 days prior. Sorry son, that's not how it works and that is the behaviour of someone with something to hide. Random means random full stop.
Manny's name has been soiled. He has been accused. If there is no question mark over his head then why do these threads keep popping up and why is it still talked about in the press?
He's been given ample oppotunity to clear his name and never taken it.
The arguement starts and finnishes with Manny Pacquiao was offered a test and refused and then came up with rediculous excuses and even stipulations.
If he doesn't want to be labled a sterois cheat then he needs to stop acting like one.
LOL, one's name is sullied by a mere accusation now? Really? When did that start as a standard for a public figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerThere was no stipulation to 18 days before. Random means just that, it could be 1 day before it could be 20 days before.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerFloyd and Shane had their last blood test taken 18 days before their fight. Manny had agreed to Mayweather's terms in the second negotiation which is up until 14 days before the fight. Would this drug test have been good enough for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerCan you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
Like what marbleheadmaui wrote, "Manny's name is unsullied in the first place".
what you have just written has NO baring what so ever on the question mark over manny's head.
Manny tried to stipulate no testing 14 days prior. Sorry son, that's not how it works and that is the behaviour of someone with something to hide. Random means random full stop.
Manny's name has been soiled. He has been accused. If there is no question mark over his head then why do these threads keep popping up and why is it still talked about in the press?
He's been given ample oppotunity to clear his name and never taken it.
The arguement starts and finnishes with Manny Pacquiao was offered a test and refused and then came up with rediculous excuses and even stipulations.
If he doesn't want to be labled a sterois cheat then he needs to stop acting like one.
I accuse Joe Biden of being a space alien! He must run to a lab I designate and take tests I designate, and he must do so when I say, or he will be labelled a space alien!
If he doesn't want to be labelled a space alien he must stop acting like one!
Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiLOL, one's name is sullied by a mere accusation now? Really? When did that start as a standard for a public figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerThere was no stipulation to 18 days before. Random means just that, it could be 1 day before it could be 20 days before.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerFloyd and Shane had their last blood test taken 18 days before their fight. Manny had agreed to Mayweather's terms in the second negotiation which is up until 14 days before the fight. Would this drug test have been good enough for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerCan you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
Like what marbleheadmaui wrote, "Manny's name is unsullied in the first place".
what you have just written has NO baring what so ever on the question mark over manny's head.
Manny tried to stipulate no testing 14 days prior. Sorry son, that's not how it works and that is the behaviour of someone with something to hide. Random means random full stop.
Manny's name has been soiled. He has been accused. If there is no question mark over his head then why do these threads keep popping up and why is it still talked about in the press?
He's been given ample oppotunity to clear his name and never taken it.
The arguement starts and finnishes with Manny Pacquiao was offered a test and refused and then came up with rediculous excuses and even stipulations.
If he doesn't want to be labled a sterois cheat then he needs to stop acting like one.
I accuse Joe Biden of being a space alien! He must run to a lab I designate and take tests I designate, and he must do so when I say, or he will be labelled a space alien!
If he doesn't want to be labelled a space alien he must stop acting like one!
Thats a very very pathetic argument.And like manny you have avoided the question. If his name isn't sullied, why does all this stuff keep coming up on forums and the news media? I have no doubt it will go on if he retires without taking any tests.
Am I the only one that has accused manny? Nope, alot of people have. I didn't think he was a cheat until he started doing everything he could to avoid a test.
If a murderer doesn't turn up for trial he's automatically innocent right?
This is a multi million dollar sport where lives are on the line and legacys are made. It is the duty of the athlete to ensure his or her legitimacy.
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
LOL, you're standard for being sullied is blogs and the media??????? BwahahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiLOL, one's name is sullied by a mere accusation now? Really? When did that start as a standard for a public figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerThere was no stipulation to 18 days before. Random means just that, it could be 1 day before it could be 20 days before.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerFloyd and Shane had their last blood test taken 18 days before their fight. Manny had agreed to Mayweather's terms in the second negotiation which is up until 14 days before the fight. Would this drug test have been good enough for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerCan you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
Like what marbleheadmaui wrote, "Manny's name is unsullied in the first place".
what you have just written has NO baring what so ever on the question mark over manny's head.
Manny tried to stipulate no testing 14 days prior. Sorry son, that's not how it works and that is the behaviour of someone with something to hide. Random means random full stop.
Manny's name has been soiled. He has been accused. If there is no question mark over his head then why do these threads keep popping up and why is it still talked about in the press?
He's been given ample oppotunity to clear his name and never taken it.
The arguement starts and finnishes with Manny Pacquiao was offered a test and refused and then came up with rediculous excuses and even stipulations.
If he doesn't want to be labled a sterois cheat then he needs to stop acting like one.
I accuse Joe Biden of being a space alien! He must run to a lab I designate and take tests I designate, and he must do so when I say, or he will be labelled a space alien!
If he doesn't want to be labelled a space alien he must stop acting like one!
Thats a very very pathetic argument.And like manny you have avoided the question. If his name isn't sullied, why does all this stuff keep coming up on forums and the news media? I have no doubt it will go on if he retires without taking any tests.
Am I the only one that has accused manny? Nope, alot of people have. I didn't think he was a cheat until he started doing everything he could to avoid a test.
If a murderer doesn't turn up for trial he's automatically innocent right?
This is a multi million dollar sport where lives are on the line and legacys are made. It is the duty of the athlete to ensure his or her legitimacy.
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
By that silly standard aliens built the pyramids and Obama is ineligable to be Prez!
I have EXACTLY as much evidence Joe Biden is a space alien as you have Manny is using steroids. NONE!
You are trying to impose a new rule on ONE GUY! It is outrageous. An athlete has a duty to OBEY THE RULES AS THEY STAND. That's it. Manny has done so. Manny has taken every test required by the sport and passed each one. Same as every other fighter. THAT is the beginning and end of the argument.
Everyhting else is hogwash.