Sergio would have four inches in height, EIGHT inches in reach, probably 20-25 pounds in the ring and he's damned near as good an athlete as Manny is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
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Sergio would have four inches in height, EIGHT inches in reach, probably 20-25 pounds in the ring and he's damned near as good an athlete as Manny is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Yeah so in other words, Manny shouldnt fight him coz he will get beaten so he should just keep fighting sure things....that almost sounds like protecting a resume. Just for the record - I dont think Pac is anywhere near protected, he fights anyone and everyone but there doesnt seem to be anyone to challenge him at this weight. Although I think JMM will give him hell im just saying if he beats JMM and wants to keep fighting the only challenge may be Sergio.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSergio would have four inches in height, EIGHT inches in reach, probably 20-25 pounds in the ring and he's damned near as good an athlete as Manny is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
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Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSergio would have four inches in height, EIGHT inches in reach, probably 20-25 pounds in the ring and he's damned near as good an athlete as Manny is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Wheres the problem with this....sounds like the same stats they spoke of when he fought Margo
Margarito is taller than Sergio and sergios reach is 3 inches longer than Margaritos. So why didnt it matter when he fought Margarito...i think its because they knew Margarito was a plodding volume puncher instead of an explosive power puncher in Sergio.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSergio would have four inches in height, EIGHT inches in reach, probably 20-25 pounds in the ring and he's damned near as good an athlete as Manny is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
LOL, read the WHOLE sentence!Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoeyQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSergio would have four inches in height, EIGHT inches in reach, probably 20-25 pounds in the ring and he's damned near as good an athlete as Manny is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Wheres the problem with this....sounds like the same stats they spoke of when he fought Margo
The problem is you didn't read the WHOLE sentence!Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoeyQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSergio would have four inches in height, EIGHT inches in reach, probably 20-25 pounds in the ring and he's damned near as good an athlete as Manny is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Wheres the problem with this....sounds like the same stats they spoke of when he fought Margo
Margarito was never a 160 pound fighter I believe. So it's expected that Manny should jump up another 2 weight division to fight Martinez at 160? And that's considered to be a fair fight? BTW, Martinez is on record saying that he can't get below MW, so the fight will have to happen at 160.
Btw a few weeks ago I did mentioned since Martinez can't find a challenge at 160 maybe he should move up to fight Andre Ward at 168 or another top 168 pounder. You know what the response was? The response was that it would be an unfair fight for Martinez to fight Ward, Bute, Froch, Kessler. And that it was a retarded idea. But it's an fair fight for Martinez to fight either Manny or Floyd at 160. hahahaha
No I did...so your saying he shouldnt fight Sergio coz Martinez is as good as he is and bigger...so he only fought margarito coz he knew he wasnt as good as him. Wouldnt call that looking for a challenge. If anyone else did that it would be called cherry picking.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiThe problem is you didn't read the WHOLE sentence!Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoeyQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSergio would have four inches in height, EIGHT inches in reach, probably 20-25 pounds in the ring and he's damned near as good an athlete as Manny is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Wheres the problem with this....sounds like the same stats they spoke of when he fought Margo
Horsehockey! In Margarito's case Manny had some advatages to offset Margarito's. In Sergio's case I think Manny has none to offset Sergio's massive size advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyNo I did...so your saying he shouldnt fight Sergio coz Martinez is as good as he is and bigger...so he only fought margarito coz he knew he wasnt as good as him. Wouldnt call that looking for a challenge. If anyone else did that it would be called cherry picking.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiThe problem is you didn't read the WHOLE sentence!Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoeyQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSergio would have four inches in height, EIGHT inches in reach, probably 20-25 pounds in the ring and he's damned near as good an athlete as Manny is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Wheres the problem with this....sounds like the same stats they spoke of when he fought Margo
Cherry picking would be avoiding guys your own size. Unless you want to make the case Marvin Hagler cherry picked because he didn't move up to face Mike Spinks or that Carlos Monzon cherry picked because he didn't challenge Bob Foster or Carlos Ortiz cherry picked because he didn't challenge Jose Napoles. You want to try to make those cases?
Manny is ALREADY fighting guys considerably larger and now you want him to move two MORE divisions?
Please name me all the fighters in history who have successfully fought across ten of today's divisions or the equivalent. When you run out of names before you run out of fingers? Think again how reasonable it is to be called a cherry picjker for not go up two MORE divisions.
Manny should fight Sergei Dzinziruk or Paul Williams, to say he's better the Martinez. I'll like to see Manny get past them 2.
Manny and Sergio at 154....it could happen. Manny has done it before. He did it for Margo when they fought for the Junior Midleweight title which is 154lbs.
If Martinez can make 154 whats that Pactards rebuttal to protect Manny?
Take away the fact hes moved up in weight so much, everyone said he was starving himself in the lower weights. If there was a fighter at welterweight that was dominating everyone and fights were looking like mismatches everyone would say he needs to move up. Im just saying as a fan I will pay to watch JMM fight Pac coz i think he has a good chance but im not going to pay to watch him fight guys like Ortiz and Bradley and I dont think the casual fan will even know who they are. If he wants to be on PPV then he needs big fights and lets face it he only has 3 options : PBF, JMM or Sergio. PBF doesnt look like happening, JMM is happening and he wont fight Sergio....so thats one fight that people will care about.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiHorsehockey! In Margarito's case Manny had some advatages to offset Margarito's. In Sergio's case I think Manny has none to offset Sergio's massive size advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyNo I did...so your saying he shouldnt fight Sergio coz Martinez is as good as he is and bigger...so he only fought margarito coz he knew he wasnt as good as him. Wouldnt call that looking for a challenge. If anyone else did that it would be called cherry picking.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiThe problem is you didn't read the WHOLE sentence!Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoeyQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSergio would have four inches in height, EIGHT inches in reach, probably 20-25 pounds in the ring and he's damned near as good an athlete as Manny is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Wheres the problem with this....sounds like the same stats they spoke of when he fought Margo
Cherry picking would be avoiding guys your own size. Unless you want to make the case Marvin Hagler cherry picked because he didn't move up to face Mike Spinks or that Carlos Monzon cherry picked because he didn't challenge Bob Foster or Carlos Ortiz cherry picked because he didn't challenge Jose Napoles. You want to try to make those cases?
Manny is ALREADY fighting guys considerably larger and now you want him to move two MORE divisions?
Please name me all the fighters in history who have successfully fought across ten of today's divisions or the equivalent. When you run out of names before you run out of fingers? Think again how reasonable it is to be called a cherry picjker for not go up two MORE divisions.
P.S.
I love how the Pac fans keep saying he would have to jump two more divisions and this and that and 160lbs. Nobody is saying 160lbs. Sergio said he couldn't do 150lbs I think they meet at 154lbs. It could happen. But Pac will make an excuse. And instead of hitting this question dead on most of the Pac fans will reply with an answer that involves Floyds name somehow lol
LOL, like Manny's accomplishments need anybody's defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoey
Name me ten fighters in history who have succeeded across as Many divisions (or equivalents) as Manny has. I can wait...
Then when you've failed to come up with even ten in all history, ask yourself why it is reasonable to say Manny sucks if he doesn't try for ELEVEN divisions. Don't you have to complain about the other 99.999% of all fighters who ever fought who didn't fight in ten divsions first?
Fine, make it ONE more division. It changes the argument not one whit.Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoey
Name me ten men in history who have succeeded across even ten of today's equivalents.