Margarito-Cotto II

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

Margaresto does not deserve another payday period.

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neither did shane mosley deserve the several big pay days he got after being caugfht cheating

the first fight was one of my favourite fights in a long time that didnt involve a brit

i hope the second is as good as the first was

i may even stay up and watch it

the thing that leaves me dumbfounded is why miguel can take mosleys shots but not cheato

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

the thing that leaves me dumbfounded is why miguel can take mosleys shots but not cheato

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Because Margo hit Cotto with volumes of punches to break him down while Mosley hit him hard one punch at a time.

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Originally Posted by miles

Margarito takes Cotto's best shots and keeps on coming. I see it going the same way it went before. Margarito's high output pressure style is Cotto's worst nightmare.

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I agree. Margarito is much stronger mentally.

Cotto v. Cintron would be a better fight. Which one quit first would be anybody's guess. :cool:



How obvious is Uncle Bob's recycled fighter program?

Margarito will TKO Cotto again.

I expect it will be relatively early, but even if Cotto manages to out-box Margarito for most of the fight, he'll gas like he always does and it'll be all over at that point.

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

the thing that leaves me dumbfounded is why miguel can take mosleys shots but not cheato

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Margarito exhausted Cotto both mentally and physically.

Through most of the fight Cotto was able to take Margarito's shots, but after getting hit over and over again while his opponent walked through his best shots brought Cotto to his breaking point.

I think, hope and pray that Cotto will win this fight because he may be slightly fresher of the two. I like Marg in the Pacquia fight, he showed a lot of heart and determination by always going forward and making a fight, so have no problems with him earning a pay day in the hardest sport in the world. However I think Manny Stewart will keep him focused on boxing and moving longer and I even think he would hurt Margarito because of the damage he already has had particularly the eyes and maybe stop him very late on.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

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Originally Posted by miles

Margarito takes Cotto's best shots and keeps on coming. I see it going the same way it went before. Margarito's high output pressure style is Cotto's worst nightmare.

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I agree. Margarito is much stronger mentally.

Cotto v. Cintron would be a better fight. Which one quit first would be anybody's guess. :cool:



How obvious is Uncle Bob's recycled fighter program?

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I have no doubt that Cintron goes in with a pair of scissors in his shorts and then cuts a hole in the canvas and crawls out through a 700 hundred metre tunnel he dug the night before.

Same move everytime from Cintron just a different means of escape.

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

According to an article on Eastside, Antonio Margarito's eye surgery was successful and Bob Arum will promote a second fight between he and Miguel Cotto late this year.

Now I think it probable (not definite) that the Margarito victory in the first fight was legitimate. But that is sort of beside the point in examining a second fight. The beating Cotto took was the beating Cotto took. Since then he took a second at the hands of Manny P. He is clearly older and slower and easier to hit than ever. But don't forget, Margarito took a savage beating at Cotto's hands as well and another at Manny's hands and received a third from Shane Mosley. He too is likely older and slower and easier to hit.

Usually when that happens? Rematches are often even more savage and bloody than the initial fight.

What say you? Who has more left? Who has the psychological edge? Who will be more willing to hang in there in the storm? Who wins how and why?

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Interesting, why do you think this? I've been of a similar mind lately but I'm curious as to your reasoning?

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Cotto will get beat again. Margarito always had the style to beat him. Cotto fans were accusing Margarito of loading gloves in that fight but fail to see that Margarito took all of COtto's punches like nothing and walked through them. You can load up gloves but you can't load up a chin.

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If Margarito still has his punch resistance? Cotto's in for a long night. But does he still have it?

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I think that's one thing we can safely say he still has, pac used his head for target practice for 12 rounds and never seriosuly hurt him.

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Originally Posted by Larryboy

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Cotto will get beat again. Margarito always had the style to beat him. Cotto fans were accusing Margarito of loading gloves in that fight but fail to see that Margarito took all of COtto's punches like nothing and walked through them. You can load up gloves but you can't load up a chin.

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If Margarito still has his punch resistance? Cotto's in for a long night. But does he still have it?

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I think that's one thing we can safely say he still has, pac used his head for target practice for 12 rounds and never seriosuly hurt him.

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What do you mean?

Pac broke his eye socket, and he's not completely healed yet.

Many thinks the fight should have been stopped after the 10th round.

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

According to an article on Eastside, Antonio Margarito's eye surgery was successful and Bob Arum will promote a second fight between he and Miguel Cotto late this year.

Now I think it probable (not definite) that the Margarito victory in the first fight was legitimate. But that is sort of beside the point in examining a second fight. The beating Cotto took was the beating Cotto took. Since then he took a second at the hands of Manny P. He is clearly older and slower and easier to hit than ever. But don't forget, Margarito took a savage beating at Cotto's hands as well and another at Manny's hands and received a third from Shane Mosley. He too is likely older and slower and easier to hit.

Usually when that happens? Rematches are often even more savage and bloody than the initial fight.

What say you? Who has more left? Who has the psychological edge? Who will be more willing to hang in there in the storm? Who wins how and why?

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Interesting, why do you think this? I've been of a similar mind lately but I'm curious as to your reasoning?

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1. Margarito hit Cotto 250 times that night. Yet Cotto's injuries were nothing like Billy Collins (the only example I know of where we can see the results of tampering). Indeed Ray Leonard looked worse after beating Tommy Hearns, Iran Barkley looked worse after losing to Roberto Duran and i can go on and on. Cotto's face I'd argue was typical for the loser in a long, grueling fight.

2. Margarito's post-fight behavior in the ring. He gets his gloves cut off pretty quickly and begins shaking hands in a ring jammed with people, Not what I'd expect from a guy with something to hide. When interviewed by Max Kellerman Margarito stands with his arm around someone and that places his still wrapped hand about two feet from Kellerman's face. ASgain, just not the behavior I'd expect of a guy with someone to hide.

Now it is hardly a conclusive case, but it is how I'd bet. Here's the post fight video where EVERYONE can get a good look at Margarito's hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyrf_...eature=related

I thought Cotto was scheduled to kick Chavez Jr.'s ass first (?)

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

Margaresto does not deserve another payday period.

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neither did shane mosley deserve the several big pay days he got after being caugfht cheating

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That does not excuse Margaresto and its also apples and oranges. Hopefully their is no need for me to explain.