Re: How many of you believe Michael Nunn had a style to beat Roy Jones?
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This is exactly how I feel. He was an excellent fighter in his prime, but I've seen people act like he never lost a round from going pro to the first Tarver fight.
Nunn would be difficult, I'd favour Jones, but you never know. Jones certainly knew what fighters to fight & not to. He always made sure that he never even went near negotiations with Frankie Liles, who reportedly more than had his number in the amateurs & I thought beat him in their box-off. I can really see that one being difficult for him in the pros.
I know the obvious thing that people say is that 'oh that's the amateurs it means nothing in the pros' or that Liles wasn't on the same level as a pro, but who would have thought that Vernon Forrest would decisively beat Shane Mosley twice if they hadn't fought.
Actually it was RJJ who had his number. Roy beat him both times they fought. So even with the Forrest Theory your argument supports RJJ beating Liles. Its that kind of misinformation that gets passed around constantly, and part of the reason why i don't listen to old timers opinions about old era fighters. Because even in modern times with guys still fighting people fuck up the truth, start bullshit rumors or never challenge them.
My god! You're like Roy Jones' chief of propaganda. They fought FOUR times. I've seen two of those fights. Of the two I haven't seen, Liles apparently clearly won one, while Jones closely won another. Some have claimed that was controversial, but having not seen it, he gets the benefit of the doubt.
Of the two that I have seen, the first was a fight in the National Championships. Liles absolutely batters him. He completely dominates him & hurts him badly a couple of times. The other is in the box-off for the 88 Olympics. I personally think that on current scoring criteria or that of the time, Liles deserved the win, but it's not a robbery. Still, from what I saw, I think Liles could have given him real trouble, although I wouldn't back him for the W.
Still, I'd say that's the one guy Roy really should have fought.
I'm more interested in seeing Spadafora face mayweather because he was giving him hell during a sparring session.
Re: How many of you believe Michael Nunn had a style to beat Roy Jones?
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JazMerkin
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JazMerkin
This is exactly how I feel. He was an excellent fighter in his prime, but I've seen people act like he never lost a round from going pro to the first Tarver fight.
Nunn would be difficult, I'd favour Jones, but you never know. Jones certainly knew what fighters to fight & not to. He always made sure that he never even went near negotiations with Frankie Liles, who reportedly more than had his number in the amateurs & I thought beat him in their box-off. I can really see that one being difficult for him in the pros.
I know the obvious thing that people say is that 'oh that's the amateurs it means nothing in the pros' or that Liles wasn't on the same level as a pro, but who would have thought that Vernon Forrest would decisively beat Shane Mosley twice if they hadn't fought.
Actually it was RJJ who had his number. Roy beat him both times they fought. So even with the Forrest Theory your argument supports RJJ beating Liles. Its that kind of misinformation that gets passed around constantly, and part of the reason why i don't listen to old timers opinions about old era fighters. Because even in modern times with guys still fighting people fuck up the truth, start bullshit rumors or never challenge them.
My god! You're like Roy Jones' chief of propaganda. They fought FOUR times. I've seen two of those fights. Of the two I haven't seen, Liles apparently clearly won one, while Jones closely won another. Some have claimed that was controversial, but having not seen it, he gets the benefit of the doubt.
Of the two that I have seen, the first was a fight in the National Championships. Liles absolutely batters him. He completely dominates him & hurts him badly a couple of times. The other is in the box-off for the 88 Olympics. I personally think that on current scoring criteria or that of the time, Liles deserved the win, but it's not a robbery. Still, from what I saw, I think Liles could have given him real trouble, although I wouldn't back him for the W.
Still, I'd say that's the one guy Roy really should have fought.
I'm more interested in seeing Spadafora face mayweather because he was giving him hell during a sparring session.
Nice attempt to deflect, these weren't spars though, they were actual fights. On all occasions, both would have been in shape & looking to win.
Like I said, I would have favoured Jones to win because he was the better pro, but I thought Mosley would bulldoze Forrest. Surely you can concede it was a better fight than Vinny Pazienza, Antoine Byrd or Tony Thornton?
Re: How many of you believe Michael Nunn had a style to beat Roy Jones?
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JazMerkin
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JonesJrMayweather
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JazMerkin
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JonesJrMayweather
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JazMerkin
This is exactly how I feel. He was an excellent fighter in his prime, but I've seen people act like he never lost a round from going pro to the first Tarver fight.
Nunn would be difficult, I'd favour Jones, but you never know. Jones certainly knew what fighters to fight & not to. He always made sure that he never even went near negotiations with Frankie Liles, who reportedly more than had his number in the amateurs & I thought beat him in their box-off. I can really see that one being difficult for him in the pros.
I know the obvious thing that people say is that 'oh that's the amateurs it means nothing in the pros' or that Liles wasn't on the same level as a pro, but who would have thought that Vernon Forrest would decisively beat Shane Mosley twice if they hadn't fought.
Actually it was RJJ who had his number. Roy beat him both times they fought. So even with the Forrest Theory your argument supports RJJ beating Liles. Its that kind of misinformation that gets passed around constantly, and part of the reason why i don't listen to old timers opinions about old era fighters. Because even in modern times with guys still fighting people fuck up the truth, start bullshit rumors or never challenge them.
My god! You're like Roy Jones' chief of propaganda. They fought FOUR times. I've seen two of those fights. Of the two I haven't seen, Liles apparently clearly won one, while Jones closely won another. Some have claimed that was controversial, but having not seen it, he gets the benefit of the doubt.
Of the two that I have seen, the first was a fight in the National Championships. Liles absolutely batters him. He completely dominates him & hurts him badly a couple of times. The other is in the box-off for the 88 Olympics. I personally think that on current scoring criteria or that of the time, Liles deserved the win, but it's not a robbery. Still, from what I saw, I think Liles could have given him real trouble, although I wouldn't back him for the W.
Still, I'd say that's the one guy Roy really should have fought.
I'm more interested in seeing Spadafora face mayweather because he was giving him hell during a sparring session.
Nice attempt to deflect, these weren't spars though, they were actual fights. On all occasions, both would have been in shape & looking to win.
Like I said, I would have favoured Jones to win because he was the better pro, but I thought Mosley would bulldoze Forrest. Surely you can concede it was a better fight than Vinny Pazienza, Antoine Byrd or Tony Thornton?
No doubt.... But not based off a career amateur Liles having fought over twice as many fights as RJJ. like 300 to 130 and being four years older than him, a huge difference as a kid.
Just based off Liles being bigger, i concede he would have been tougher than those you mentioned, but hey, all fights don't get made. Shouldn't fall on Roy. Hell Liles should have been a pro before they even faced in 1987 and 1988. He was 22-23 years old.
Re: How many of you believe Michael Nunn had a style to beat Roy Jones?
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JazMerkin
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JonesJrMayweather
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JazMerkin
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JonesJrMayweather
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JazMerkin
This is exactly how I feel. He was an excellent fighter in his prime, but I've seen people act like he never lost a round from going pro to the first Tarver fight.
Nunn would be difficult, I'd favour Jones, but you never know. Jones certainly knew what fighters to fight & not to. He always made sure that he never even went near negotiations with Frankie Liles, who reportedly more than had his number in the amateurs & I thought beat him in their box-off. I can really see that one being difficult for him in the pros.
I know the obvious thing that people say is that 'oh that's the amateurs it means nothing in the pros' or that Liles wasn't on the same level as a pro, but who would have thought that Vernon Forrest would decisively beat Shane Mosley twice if they hadn't fought.
Actually it was RJJ who had his number. Roy beat him both times they fought. So even with the Forrest Theory your argument supports RJJ beating Liles. Its that kind of misinformation that gets passed around constantly, and part of the reason why i don't listen to old timers opinions about old era fighters. Because even in modern times with guys still fighting people fuck up the truth, start bullshit rumors or never challenge them.
My god! You're like Roy Jones' chief of propaganda. They fought FOUR times. I've seen two of those fights. Of the two I haven't seen, Liles apparently clearly won one, while Jones closely won another. Some have claimed that was controversial, but having not seen it, he gets the benefit of the doubt.
Of the two that I have seen, the first was a fight in the National Championships. Liles absolutely batters him. He completely dominates him & hurts him badly a couple of times. The other is in the box-off for the 88 Olympics. I personally think that on current scoring criteria or that of the time, Liles deserved the win, but it's not a robbery. Still, from what I saw, I think Liles could have given him real trouble, although I wouldn't back him for the W.
Still, I'd say that's the one guy Roy really should have fought.
I'm more interested in seeing Spadafora face mayweather because he was giving him hell during a sparring session.
Nice attempt to deflect, these weren't spars though, they were actual fights. On all occasions, both would have been in shape & looking to win.
Like I said, I would have favoured Jones to win because he was the better pro, but I thought Mosley would bulldoze Forrest. Surely you can concede it was a better fight than Vinny Pazienza, Antoine Byrd or Tony Thornton?
No doubt.... But not based off a career amateur Liles having fought over twice as many fights as RJJ. like 300 to 130 and being four years older than him, a huge difference as a kid.
Just based off Liles being bigger, i concede he would have been tougher than those you mentioned, but hey, all fights don't get made. Shouldn't fall on Roy. Hell Liles should have been a pro before they even faced in 1987 and 1988. He was 22-23 years old.
I dunno if Liles should have been a pro. Many guys don't switch over till later & he wanted to go to the Olympics. I differ he as this is the one fight I do feel falls on Roy as opposed to Nunn, Benn or Darius. I can see why there was no need to fight those guys, I can't see any reason why he didn't make this fight particularly when Liles practically begged for it. I'm not one complaining about holes in resumes, particularly in the modern era when it's so much more difficult to make fights, but I do feel this is the one he should have had. But shit happens, I'm not going to start acting like Jones was shit because they didn't make the fight.
