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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
Niiiice.
I really wish Sonagi and the Korean Hawk had hashed things out. I suspect Chang would have been a heavy favorite, but who knows? I suspect now that Chang is in the Hall Yuh goes in at some point.
Truthfully I think I would favor Yuh just slightly.
I think his speed and countering would prevail.
Changs opposition has more depth I agree, but I'm going by styles.
Chang was an inside fighter that would tend to get wild a bit and I think Yuh would catch him constantly with the hooks and sharp right.
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
Zapata was fun to watch and seemd to want to be a mini Ismael Laguna. Not a bad thing.
I hold Zapata highly and praise him because I think he faced the best possible opponents around. Win, lose or draw. Champs, former champs and top contenders.
Names like German Torres, Jung Koo Chang, Joey Olivo, Santos Laciar, Dodie Penalosa and Fidel Bassa (which I had Zapata wining the 2nd fight I still don't know how 1 judge had it for Fidel) also opponents like Juan Guzman, Alfonso Lopez, Freddy Castillo, Netrnoi VorasingSomething... lol and Harold Petty.
I think his defense was really good when he was on. I've read things about him not taking his gym time too serious and partially training. Quoted as having said things like "Im still fresh on the legs from the previous fight".
All in all it just boils down to how much a person has seen of him.
I think he's on the low end of my ATG list. Yes, I consider him ATG.
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
Napoles was just shake your head great. No and ifs or buts. Just a flat out ATG. I mean how many guys are top contenders at one weight, can't get a title crack, so they move to a sceond weight, can't get one there either and then move to a third and become absolutely dominant? And God was he pretty to watch. I mean he schooled Curtis Cokes and Emile Griffith, and I mean schooled them, in back to back fights.
Couldn't agree more def. an ATG in my books... Wild shot in the dark here but somewhere around top 20 with a tolerance of +/- 5 :D
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
In my lifetime I cannot think of a fighter to whom the rules meant less than Eusabio Pedroza. A hard, hard man. You were gonna fight El Alacran? You'd better be ready for anything and be ready to go all night long. The guy who fixed the featherweights after Sanchez died.
Great post!
Yeah you can say Eusebio was a little dirty... But not more than Saddler was. ;)
Eusebio was brilliant and has one of the best title reigns in boxing ever.
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Jimanuel Boogustus
Jose Napoles was one of those guys I came across after studying someone else (Monzon) and yes, he was absolutely amazing! Clearly (and sadly) far too small to be in the ring with a monstor (;D) like Monzon.
Don't know too much about Pedroza and nothing about the other guys... I hate you Mick, I'm just so fucking waterlogged with boxing right now :-X ;D
Monzon was a monstor! :D
Napoles was a special kind of fighter and just think would he had not defected from Cuba once Fidel banned boxing we would have missed out on his greatness.
I recommend you at least watch the videos I posted on Pedroza, Zapata and Yuh if nothing else. You'll at least get a gimplse of them.
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
Napoles was an excellent fighter. He doesn't quite class as an ATG for me. I don't think Griffith had any business at 147 by the time of their fight & looked drained in the footage I've seen. Still, he had a very solid time as Welterweight champ, the defeat to Backus which he avenged aside. I'd forgotten about the Stracey win actually, that's another massive upset win for a Brit that I overlooked in another thread.
I can respect your opinion but I don't agree with it.
As I said above for my likings Napoles is somewhere in the top 20 +/- 5 spots. (Shot in the dark)
He not only has outstanding wins he has outstanding performances. Beat HoF fighters and top opposition. While agree Emile was no longer at his best when he lost to Napoles let's keep in mind Emile went on to beat some meaningful opponents like Dick Tiger, Ernie Lopez, Manuel Gonzalez, Bennie Briscoe and dropped a decision to Monzon.
Napoles should have put his pride aside and should have retired after the Muniz debacle.
Something else to keep in mind 3 of his loses were bouts that were stopped due to cuts.
Which was Napoles biggest weakness that he cut up around the eyes since early in his career. I guess it's just a matter of what you look for.
