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To rubbish opponenents like Clottey and Margarito is ridiculous imo. Clottey was offensive enough to beat down Diego Coralles and Zab Judah. Manny allowed Margarito to weigh in 4 lbs heavier than he did against Shane in a catchweight that favoured Margarito more than Manny, no different than when Martinez fought Dzinziruk.
As for a 160lb title fight with Chavez Jr hell I would love to see that! Ok so Chavez isn't the best middleweight champ out there, but for a guy who started out at strawweight how is fighting him less respectable than former middleweight Roy Jones moving up to heavyweight to fight a weak belt holder im John Ruiz?
If Chavez Jr is such a weak opponenet and should be easily beaten by any smaller man then let any of Juan Manuel Marquez, Timothy Bradely, Maruc Maidana, Amir Khan, Devon Alexander, MIchael Katsidis etc mlove up to middleweight and win an easy paper title. It only becomes insignificant when Manny attempts it...
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Great, just what the forum needs, another Pac-Floyd pissing contest, sadly this thread will get 300 replies.
Do you agree or disagree with what he said and why? Facts about a fighter you like doesn't necessarily mean its hateful.
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To rubbish opponenents like Clottey and Margarito is ridiculous imo. Clottey was offensive enough to beat down Diego Coralles and Zab Judah. Manny allowed Margarito to weigh in 4 lbs heavier than he did against Shane in a catchweight that favoured Margarito more than Manny, no different than when Martinez fought Dzinziruk.
As for a 160lb title fight with Chavez Jr hell I would love to see that! Ok so Chavez isn't the best middleweight champ out there, but for a guy who started out at strawweight how is fighting him less respectable than former middleweight Roy Jones moving up to heavyweight to fight a weak belt holder im John Ruiz?
If Chavez Jr is such a weak opponenet and should be easily beaten by any smaller man then let any of Juan Manuel Marquez, Timothy Bradely, Maruc Maidana, Amir Khan, Devon Alexander, MIchael Katsidis etc mlove up to middleweight and win an easy paper title. It only becomes insignificant when Manny attempts it...
I have to agree with Biblo here, i mean Joshua Clottey was one of the top Welterweight's. He'd never really been beaten convincingly, and the guy is huge lets not forget how much he weighs after the weigh in.
I mean who else really could Manny Pacquiao have fought at Welterweight ? he fought Cotto, Margarito, these are the two opponents Floyd Mayweather Jr should of fought years ago.
Manny Pacquiao has been clearing up the Welterweight division, something Floyd Mayweather Jr should of done ages ago.
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Manny beating JCC jnr would not be another legitimate title belt in my eyes but it would be an amazing feat to do it or even attempt to do it. Manny’s opponents have been all good before they got in with him, only after he beats them do they get critical of his opponents. People that hate Manny will criticise him no matter what he does.
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I've got to disagree with this thread starter in a big way. No way this fight is in the making. JCC jr has too much pride to walk into a fight he knows he's going to lose, even if it means a big payday for him. Besides, he's being groomed for a big fight with Canelo down the line...I'd say 18-24 months from now. I'm not sure if I ever see these two getting in the ring with eachother. As far as comparing resumes on Pac and Floyd, I think they're equally impressive. I don't see pacs fight with Cotto going any differently pre or post Margarito. I don't see pacs fight with dlh or hatton going any differently pre or post Floyd. imo, the reason pac has a bigger and more loyal following is because of the way he looks at fights, and the way he fights. Pac believes that when he fights, he doesnt just have a responsibility to himself to win, but a responsibility to his fans to make it an entertaining fight. And it shows. His fights for the most part are awesome (excluding Clottey and Shane because they ran and covered up the whole fight). Pac comes forward and puts people on their ass and I feel I get my moneys worth when I watch him. Floyd on the other hand doesn't care about anyone but himself when he fights and it shows. And there is nothing wrong with that, more power to him. I'm sure most of us would be the same way. It also shows in the ring. Floyd fights off his back foot and punches when he can. It works for him and I wouldnt stop that if I were him, but it's extremely boring to watch. Which is why Floyd has to sell his fights with his mouth. When someone cares about more than just themselves when they step into the ring, they will always be more popular than someone who could careless how much you paid to watch them fight.
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Manny Pacquiao is/was criticized for facing Clottey, Margarito and Shane Mosley. more so now that they've seen that Manny almost won all 36 rounds.
But if we go back in time maybe in 2008 after his 1st 147 fight imagine Pacquiao staying ang fighting at the Welterweight limit. who are the fighters he should fight?
If people are honest here, there is a chance that they'll reveal that they have all three fighters Clottey, Margarito and Mosley knocking the shit out of Pacquiao back into the Featherweights.
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when your hatin...you accused them. Typical hater thread. Clottey was a top welter. Cotto was a top welter inspite of that loss. Margarito is a huge,huge guy and definitely not over the hill. If not JMM..who do you think he should fight? The guy Manny shouldnt have fought was Mosley. This guy quit after the 3rd against Floyd. That fight was a farce. Other than that,pacs fights were all legit for me. If mannys up against Chavez though...i wont give pac credit for it as there are more deserving fighters out there.
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Manny beating JCC jnr would not be another legitimate title belt in my eyes but it would be an amazing feat to do it or even attempt to do it. Manny’s opponents have been all good before they got in with him, only after he beats them do they get critical of his opponents. People that hate Manny will criticise him no matter what he does.
Yep, agree with this statement, especially the last sentence. No offence JT, but your vision is clouded by those rose tinted Mayweather glasses your wearing ;)
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Pac just fought the guys deemed the top of the weightclass, not undefeated not perfect but still the top of the weightclass, what's wrong with that?
Look at this screenshot from HBO, the only fighter that PAC has not fought was PBF and Berto(well now Ortiz).
and for those who are keep saying that PAC should fight Martinez to get respect or validation that he is indeed the p4p number 1 , why not have Martinez fight the top super middle out there, heck even cruiserweight because in comparison that even fails in comparison with PAC has accomplished.
