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[rolling eyes]Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
I agree Randall wasn't a fluke. But I can't think of another really meaningful win. Rosario was 137 years old, I never thought much of Coggi (but that's on me), the Pendleton win was way before Freddie grew up in the ring etc. Randall is olne of those guys who always seemed to me like he should be more...but never quite was.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliNope. Especially considering he was well on his way to duplicating his 'one hit' before Chavez hopped out the fire exit and slid down the ladder when given the opportunity in rematch. Randall won that fight but he lost the politics. The guy won the belt thrice when frankly he should not have "lost" it twice. He had solid boxing punching skill set, sat amongst the p4p 10 and had solid comp in Pendleton, Rosario, Fuentes, Ramos early through some serious screw jobs put to him, yes including his demons and a stint in jail in 89. His implosion with Ramos still baffles but thats boxing 101. He became obsessed with getting Chavez back in the ring for 3rd fight right away but frankly JCC and King couldn't wait for him to go away. He relapsed after domination of solid Champion Coggi and late in career was out of weight, out of senses and eventually out of time. When I think one hit wonders I think flukes or lucky shots. For me Randall put on one of the most disciplined executions of a game plan and break down of a legend ever seen. He should have been much longer lasting but he wasn't a fluke.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Always thought of him and Johnny Tapia in that way.
Not just our of Mick. [banging head on desk]Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
I realize I am being played but I can't help myself!
Ken Buchanan
Esteban DeJesus (twice)
Ray Lampkin
Carlos Palomino
Ray Leonard
Pipino Cuevas
Davey Moore
Iran Barkley
[back to banging my head on desk] I hope my concussion pleases you!
He def sabotaged his chances with troubles as well as family deaths etc, killed some momentum. Story of Pendletons career early was facing quality names short notice etc. Better a hindsight win and close draw after Freddie destroyed Mayweather. Though just on record...Freddie will never get repsect his skill came to merit.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiI agree Randall wasn't a fluke. But I can't think of another really meaningful win. Rosario was 137 years old, I never thought much of Coggi (but that's on me), the Pendleton win was way before Freddie grew up in the ring etc. Randall is olne of those guys who always seemed to me like he should be more...but never quite was.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliNope. Especially considering he was well on his way to duplicating his 'one hit' before Chavez hopped out the fire exit and slid down the ladder when given the opportunity in rematch. Randall won that fight but he lost the politics. The guy won the belt thrice when frankly he should not have "lost" it twice. He had solid boxing punching skill set, sat amongst the p4p 10 and had solid comp in Pendleton, Rosario, Fuentes, Ramos early through some serious screw jobs put to him, yes including his demons and a stint in jail in 89. His implosion with Ramos still baffles but thats boxing 101. He became obsessed with getting Chavez back in the ring for 3rd fight right away but frankly JCC and King couldn't wait for him to go away. He relapsed after domination of solid Champion Coggi and late in career was out of weight, out of senses and eventually out of time. When I think one hit wonders I think flukes or lucky shots. For me Randall put on one of the most disciplined executions of a game plan and break down of a legend ever seen. He should have been much longer lasting but he wasn't a fluke.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Always thought of him and Johnny Tapia in that way.
I thought he beat Rosario even 1st time around by 2 rounds in a war. Could really see skills shine with Randall popping, moving and bullying Rosario early and soaking up heavy leatherin 8th & 9th. Rosario had a title fight in the wings
also....he 'beat' Chavez in rematch ;D
Compare the names of Olivares and SRR vs the other names...Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiREALLY disagree with both Castillo and Turpin. Chucho beat a whole series of ranked bantams in Pinto, Medel, Caraballo, Nakane, Pimintel and of course Ruben Olivares. He was a heck of a fighter in the very best era of bantams there has ever been.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Turpin didn't have as many good wins but Tommy Yarosz was no joke and neither were Cockell or Humez or Buxton. Turpin also earns points for giving Robinson absolute hell is the rematch before getting KO'd.
For my likings they never matched those wins.
That makes them one hit wonders.
I agree with this certainly regarding Turpin, I don't know enough about Castillo. Turpin beat some real solid guys, but let's face it Robinson stands out so far on his resume because of who he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiREALLY disagree with both Castillo and Turpin. Chucho beat a whole series of ranked bantams in Pinto, Medel, Caraballo, Nakane, Pimintel and of course Ruben Olivares. He was a heck of a fighter in the very best era of bantams there has ever been.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Turpin didn't have as many good wins but Tommy Yarosz was no joke and neither were Cockell or Humez or Buxton. Turpin also earns points for giving Robinson absolute hell is the rematch before getting KO'd.
Liston is the worst suggestion on this list (apart from what I hope were jokes about Duran & Pacquiao). He fought just 2 opponents with sub .500 records his whole career & was beating up on experienced guys from his 6th fight. Avenged his first loss, which he fought with a broken jaw. Apart from Patterson, he beat some really credible guys in Summerlin, Cleveland Williams, Folley & Machen. He's much more than a 1 hit wonder, he just happened to get defined by his losses to probably the greatest HW of all time.
Aside from the obvious such as Rahman, Douglas & Raheem, I'd make an argument for Freddie Norwood & Sergio Mora.
Well, ok, but doesn't EVERYONE have a best win? I mean who the heck did you want Turpin to beat to match the Robinson win? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickCompare the names of Olivares and SRR vs the other names...Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiREALLY disagree with both Castillo and Turpin. Chucho beat a whole series of ranked bantams in Pinto, Medel, Caraballo, Nakane, Pimintel and of course Ruben Olivares. He was a heck of a fighter in the very best era of bantams there has ever been.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Turpin didn't have as many good wins but Tommy Yarosz was no joke and neither were Cockell or Humez or Buxton. Turpin also earns points for giving Robinson absolute hell is the rematch before getting KO'd.
For my likings they never matched those wins.
That makes them one hit wonders.
1-hit wonders rule in that they will always be remembered for 1 single performance, proving ANYBODY can shock the world on a given night.
Dave Tiberi
Doug Jones
I dunno. He beat both Foster and Folley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manju
Michael Bent when he smoked Morrison.
Rocky Graziano ( a great warrior, he won the 2nd fight of 3 great battles with Zale but never successfully defended his title, being KO'd in 3 in the 3rd and deciding fight, somebody up there certainly did like him)
Ingemar Johannson (The hammer of Thor hit Patterson with thunder and lightning and that was it, he was a good fighter and might have given Ali trouble, but it was all too brief.)
Tom The Bomb Bethea (KO's Middleweight champ Nino Benvenuti in a non title match up who was 80-3-1 at the time, then promptly gets KO'd just 2 months later in a shot at the title)
Billy Backus (beat the great Jose Napoles on cuts then was easily disposed of in the rematch)
Leon Spinks (A lethargic Ali let Spinks win this one, no other explanation, see Holmes destroy Spinks and you see the class difference)
Buster Douglas (It's probably the number one of the lot)
Nice list. The only one I'd quibble with is Graziano. He drilled a series of good fighters in Freddie Cochrane twice, Billy Arnold, Bummy Davis, Marty Servo and Charlie Fusari. My gripe with Graziano is he was a middle whacking out welters in many cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN