Is the general opinion of wlad deserved?

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Originally Posted by erics44

my boy is 5 years old, it wouldnt be great parenting to put him in a fight with a professional boxer

wlad fought chag on short notice? man you are deranged, wlad had been training for the biggest fight of his life, chag took the fight at short notice

and haye was gonna fight chag wasnt he? didnt his aids get in the way?

do you honestly think chag would beat haye?

and this isnt a thread about whos competition at HW is better coz haye has only fought 5 or 6 times and it is a no brainer, this is a thread about has wlads recent competition over rated his stock?

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#1 You know what I meant

#2 Wlad had trained to fight a certain fighter who pulled out at the last minute do to a "back injury". Chagaev had trained to fight Valuev in Finland but oddly Finland wouldn't allow the fight to happen due to Chagaev's hepatitis. So for the sake of not wasting time Wlad offered the fight to Valuev and then to Chagaev who agreed. Seeing how Chagaev wasn't who they were training to fight and camp was damn near over I consider that short notice. Chagaev was a different style fighter altogether...at least Valuev was tall and orthodox like Wlad is, the skill level is entirely different but oh well.

#3 Yeah, sure, just like he was going to fight dangerous opposition when Monte damn Barrett showed up :vd: ...he was NEVER going to go through with that fight the hepatitis just gave him an excuse.

#4 if anyone's competition has overrated their stock its the WBA title holder, at heavyweight AND cruiserweight. He was given one of the easiest roads to a belt I've ever seen.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by erics44

my boy is 5 years old, it wouldnt be great parenting to put him in a fight with a professional boxer

wlad fought chag on short notice? man you are deranged, wlad had been training for the biggest fight of his life, chag took the fight at short notice

and haye was gonna fight chag wasnt he? didnt his aids get in the way?

do you honestly think chag would beat haye?

and this isnt a thread about whos competition at HW is better coz haye has only fought 5 or 6 times and it is a no brainer, this is a thread about has wlads recent competition over rated his stock?

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#1 You know what I meant

#2 Wlad had trained to fight a certain fighter who pulled out at the last minute do to a "back injury". Chagaev had trained to fight Valuev in Finland but oddly Finland wouldn't allow the fight to happen due to Chagaev's hepatitis. So for the sake of not wasting time Wlad offered the fight to Valuev and then to Chagaev who agreed. Seeing how Chagaev wasn't who they were training to fight and camp was damn near over I consider that short notice. Chagaev was a different style fighter altogether...at least Valuev was tall and orthodox like Wlad is, the skill level is entirely different but oh well.

#3 Yeah, sure, just like he was going to fight dangerous opposition when Monte damn Barrett showed up :vd: ...he was NEVER going to go through with that fight the hepatitis just gave him an excuse.

#4 if anyone's competition has overrated their stock its the WBA title holder, at heavyweight AND cruiserweight. He was given one of the easiest roads to a belt I've ever seen.

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1# no i dont

2# only a very daft and blinkered person would give wlad aditional credit for the chag fight being at "short notice"

3# only a very daft and blinkered person would actually believe that the hepititis gave david haye an excuse not to fight chag, and that haye wouldnt win a fight between the two

4# only a very daft and blinkered person would not give haye credit for what he achieved at cruiser

OK well let's leave the Chagaev fight alone then...I mean Wlad COULD have waited for the WBA title holder's injury to heal and wait for him to come back around and fight, but Wlad (as his 55-3 record suggests) likes to stay active and he risked his titles to fight a guy he hadn't trained to fight....but I digress.

I don't care about the WBA title holder's cruiserweight triumphs...its not like he beat Dwight Qawi or Bert Cooper or Eddie Mustafa Muhamad....he beat Mormeck and some Italian dude that cut him up. His assertion that beating Alexander Gurov (who's 6'5) is akin to beating Wladimir Klitschko is like me saying that I can beat Kobe Bryant in 1 on 1 because this one time I beat another black guy in 1 on 1.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

OK well let's leave the Chagaev fight alone then...I mean Wlad COULD have waited for the WBA title holder's injury to heal and wait for him to come back around and fight, but Wlad (as his 55-3 record suggests) likes to stay active and he risked his titles to fight a guy he hadn't trained to fight....but I digress.

I don't care about the WBA title holder's cruiserweight triumphs...its not like he beat Dwight Qawi or Bert Cooper or Eddie Mustafa Muhamad....he beat Mormeck and some Italian dude that cut him up. His assertion that beating Alexander Gurov (who's 6'5) is akin to beating Wladimir Klitschko is like me saying that I can beat Kobe Bryant in 1 on 1 because this one time I beat another black guy in 1 on 1.

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so you admit you was wrong and i was wright then

thats good man, we are getting somewhere with you finally

o and p.s. risked his titles my big hairy bum :)

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

OK well let's leave the Chagaev fight alone then...I mean Wlad COULD have waited for the WBA title holder's injury to heal and wait for him to come back around and fight, but Wlad (as his 55-3 record suggests) likes to stay active and he risked his titles to fight a guy he hadn't trained to fight....but I digress.

I don't care about the WBA title holder's cruiserweight triumphs...its not like he beat Dwight Qawi or Bert Cooper or Eddie Mustafa Muhamad....he beat Mormeck and some Italian dude that cut him up. His assertion that beating Alexander Gurov (who's 6'5) is akin to beating Wladimir Klitschko is like me saying that I can beat Kobe Bryant in 1 on 1 because this one time I beat another black guy in 1 on 1.

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so you admit you was wrong and i was wright then

thats good man, we are getting somewhere with you finally

o and p.s. risked his titles my big hairy bum :)

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No I didn't admit you were anywhere close to being right. I said let's put that fight aside and look at any other fights of his as you're so willing to just chalk up Chagaev as some sort of bum.....too bad Chagaev beat Valuev better than the WBA title holder did, that's a shame it makes that title "win" seem hollow especially since Chagaev never LOST the title, he got stripped of it.

As for risking the titles, they were up for grabs...all Chagaev had to do was win. At least Ruslan was man enough to take the fight. The titles will be "up for grabs" on July 2nd....I don't see it as much of a gamble this time either...well not for Wlad.

I'm thinking the WBA title holder will need to bring some suspenders with him, because he's not leaving with a belt.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

OK well let's leave the Chagaev fight alone then...I mean Wlad COULD have waited for the WBA title holder's injury to heal and wait for him to come back around and fight, but Wlad (as his 55-3 record suggests) likes to stay active and he risked his titles to fight a guy he hadn't trained to fight....but I digress.

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Wlad hasn't taken a risk with his titles his whole reign. Chagaev a risk that's hysterically funny. :lol:

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

Wlad has fought ranked guy after ranked guy and KO'd almost all of them. He has clearly improved over time, fights smart and is always in shape.

What more can we really ask?

Sure his foes stink, the division is awful. But he is doing everything that can be done with it isn't he?

As far as what would 13 have done? There is a huge difference between actually having DONE something and SPECULATING what someone else MIGHT have done.

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thats true but its the fun of a discussion :)

who is wlads best opponent during that time? chagaev? how do you think he would have done against him?

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[scratching head]

Chagaev or Chambers I suppose. 13 loses to both.

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13?

do you honestly think haye would lose to chag? there really is no chance, matt skelton outboxed chag for 3 rounds

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John Ruiz was robbed against Chagaev for christ sake. Look what Haye did to him.

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

Wlad hasn't taken a risk with his titles his whole reign. Chagaev a risk that's hysterically funny. :lol:

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Well either you're saying Wlad is just that good or that he's ducking someone.....well we all know he's not ducking anyone .

Wlad has offered to fight anyone and the only top rated people he hasn't fought have just declined to fight him (namely Valuev, Povetkin, and the WBA title holder though I hope that ends July 2nd). Who else does Wlad need to fight to prove he's great?

I think few people Wald has beat would have a chance or better then a chance to beat Haye. As for Wald for a man with his number of title defense, ko percentage, win to lose ratio and number of top 10 wins i dont think he gets much credit. And if he beats Haye i am not so sure thats Walds best win either.

The best question in the thread was this:

If Wlad beats Haye, will that be his biggest win yet, or his biggest win since he became dominant?

That's a great question, if Wlad pummells Haye convincingly then I actually think it will be, there is more hype and expectation around this fight than any other.

Here we go again (el cockbong) plugging into klit again what a fucking shocker! I will be glad when Haye beats your boyfriend, with a bit of luck we will not read your wank again & I think you are scraping the bottom of the barrel giving klit praise taking fights short notice, where was the praise for lennox lewis after taking on a young vitali short notice? Lewis was 37 & past his best but still made vitalie's face look like a melted wellie!

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Originally Posted by Rocky11

Here we go again (el cockbong) plugging into klit again what a fucking shocker! I will be glad when Haye beats your boyfriend, with a bit of luck we will not read your wank again & I think you are scraping the bottom of the barrel giving klit praise taking fights short notice, where was the praise for lennox lewis after taking on a young vitali short notice? Lewis was 37 & past his best but still made vitalie's face look like a melted wellie!

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And you are? I like your attitude and original views....man, your posting is a breath of fresh air because there's NOBODY that cheers against the Klitschko's. And you're brave enough to do it on the internet too....wow.

I had no idea we were discussing Vitali and Lewis...great fight and short notice for both fighters. That would be off topic for this thread but I've given Lewis his due respect before for that fight....there not being a rematch is a point of contention though.

Oh and if you don't like my posting...please feel free to skip it, though I know your type and you're bound to keep reading it....it makes me happy knowing that every line I write is torture to you.

Sorry I didn't introduce myself , how can I pos expect you to know me? Maybe if I post another 30,000 posts you might. That truly is amazing though 30,000 + posts , that must take dedication & a lack of a real life to accomplish such a feat ! Any way I don't dislike your posts I actualy think you are quite knowledgeable on boxing . I just don't like it when you are constantly sucking klit off, because let's face it he's not that good.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

OK well let's leave the Chagaev fight alone then...I mean Wlad COULD have waited for the WBA title holder's injury to heal and wait for him to come back around and fight, but Wlad (as his 55-3 record suggests) likes to stay active and he risked his titles to fight a guy he hadn't trained to fight....but I digress.

I don't care about the WBA title holder's cruiserweight triumphs...its not like he beat Dwight Qawi or Bert Cooper or Eddie Mustafa Muhamad....he beat Mormeck and some Italian dude that cut him up. His assertion that beating Alexander Gurov (who's 6'5) is akin to beating Wladimir Klitschko is like me saying that I can beat Kobe Bryant in 1 on 1 because this one time I beat another black guy in 1 on 1.

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so you admit you was wrong and i was wright then

thats good man, we are getting somewhere with you finally

o and p.s. risked his titles my big hairy bum :)

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No I didn't admit you were anywhere close to being right. I said let's put that fight aside and look at any other fights of his as you're so willing to just chalk up Chagaev as some sort of bum.....too bad Chagaev beat Valuev better than the WBA title holder did, that's a shame it makes that title "win" seem hollow especially since Chagaev never LOST the title, he got stripped of it.

As for risking the titles, they were up for grabs...all Chagaev had to do was win. At least Ruslan was man enough to take the fight. The titles will be "up for grabs" on July 2nd....I don't see it as much of a gamble this time either...well not for Wlad.

I'm thinking the WBA title holder will need to bring some suspenders with him, because he's not leaving with a belt.

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you want to put that fight asside because i won the argument about it :)

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Originally Posted by Mr140

I think few people Wald has beat would have a chance or better then a chance to beat Haye. As for Wald for a man with his number of title defense, ko percentage, win to lose ratio and number of top 10 wins i dont think he gets much credit. And if he beats Haye i am not so sure thats Walds best win either.

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which wins would challenge it as his best win?