Re: Sturm v Macklin - Who won?
I watched and scored two fights yesterday, both of my winners lost.
Sturm vs Macklin
Alexander Vs Matthysse (Spelling)
Re: Sturm v Macklin - Who won?
I had Macklin winning and did a full rbr, In all honesty If I was a judge and had the benefit of instant replay I would have given it to Sturm, but in the run of play, Macklin straight up outworked Sturm for most of the fight. It was a result that pretty much everyone expected though right? Noone expected Macklin to get a decision in Germany. I was just happy with how the fight went, it was exciting and I'm really looking forward to a rematch. I'd like to see it in a neutral location like Tokyo. ;D
Re: Sturm v Macklin - Who won?
I just watched the fight and i thought it was a cracking fight, a candidate for FOTY. As for the scoring i had it 114-114 a classic draw, Matthew Macklin won most of the early rounds. Forcing Felix Sturm back and outworking him with some solid body and head shots.
But Felix Sturm comeback in the 2nd half of the fight, using his classic jab/right hand combo. Landing accurate head snapping shots, i thought it would be controversial being in Germany but it was actually very close and could of gone either way.
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116-112 Sturm. Fight was competitive. Most rounds were close. Still thought it was clear-cut win for Sturm
The last couple rounds I thought Macklin was going to get knocked out. He may have built up lead by punching Sturms gloves and arms a lot but if you are scoring boxing and accurate punches landed, damage done etc it's hard to argue against a Sturm win imo.
It was clearly going Sturm's way by the end of the 12th and so he deserved to keep his belt. Gallant effort from Macklin but
I believe you have to take the title from the champion and as he was almost out on his feet by the end clearly he didn't do that. Good effort though.
That's the most pathetic notion in boxing.
The champion doesn't get a head start. He fights under the exact same rules as the challenger. If you are naturally favouring the belt holder your scoring is clearly flawed/worthless.
And if you think Macklin was hitting just gloves and arms, checkout the left side of Sturms body. It was red raw after just a few rounds.
I don't literally mean that the champion should be judged differently from the challenger I'm simply being realistic regarding the subjective nature of scoring in boxing, and the influences put on the judges.
If you are going into a champions backyard, against both him and his fans you really have to prove yourself the better fighter to get the nod. That's just the way it is. Macklin for me didn't do that. Sure he started well and was up at the halfway stage you would have to imagine but he faded down the stretch as Sturm came on.
If you look at the fight under the following criteria I think Sturm deserved the win.
Accurate punching and boxing skills, Sturm
Most damaging shots, Sturm
Who was winning and would likely have won had the fight continued, Sturm
Now, scoring on a rbr Macklin "may" have won the fight, I didn't score rbr so can't comment. I felt Wtt's card of 114-114 apiece was about right. But looking at the flow of the fight and who "won" just by watching the overall flow of the fight I felt Sturm won it as he finished clearly on top and Macklin had very little left.
If he would have got the nod it would been a somewhat controversial win in my eyes as I felt Strum displayed the better boxing skills, was more accurate, and beat up his opponent by the end. On a rbr maybe Macklin won more rounds if I added them up (I cannot be botherd though) but I fwlt the better boxer and true winner got the decision.
Kind of like Matthyse's losses to Judah and Alexander but in reverse. For me he won both of those fights because he landed clearly the more hurtful shots and finished on top, looking like the boss, but rbr scoring led to him losing them both rather unjustly in my eyes.
Sturm's result went in his favour as he's the hometown fighter and champion for sure, but I think he deserved it and would favour him again in a rematch.
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Vey close,hard to score fight.Think Macklin nicked by a round but it could have gone the other way.
Macklin threw and landed more but Sturms work was better and he seemed to be the stronger fighter in the last few rounds.I think if the fight lasted 20 seconds more Macklin would have been put down.
Great fight and I dont think anybody would say no to a rematch.;D
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Personally I thought Sturms clean effective shots won it for him in the end. After 10 rounds I had it even with Sturm taking the last 2!
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Vey close,hard to score fight.Think Macklin nicked by a round but it could have gone the other way.
Macklin threw and landed more but Sturms work was better and he seemed to be the stronger fighter in the last few rounds.I think if the fight lasted 20 seconds more Macklin would have been put down.
Great fight and I dont think anybody would say no to a rematch.;D
Sturm will, that was way out of his comfort zone.
Re: Sturm v Macklin - Who won?
I had Macklin winning 115-113 due to his incredible work-rate throughout the first seven rounds, of which I gave him six. After that his pace understandably slowed down and Sturm came on strong with increased moments of quality but I felt Macklin had done enough after a good ninth round. The final bell certainly came at the right time for Macklin who had put so much into the fight.
It's unbeliveable how two judges only gave him four rounds in the fight, but yet depressingly believable given the location. Given those scorecards I think it's fair to say that Macklin didn't stand a chance without the stoppage. He was never going to completely dominate Sturm for the full twelve rounds, which he seemingly required for a decision.
At least Macklin is receiving plenty of praise for his efforts and his worldwide reputation is today enhanced despite the loss. In an ideal world I would like to see an immediate rematch but I would advise him against going back to Germany. He would need a stoppage, unlikely as Sturm looked very durable and took Macklin's pressure without wilting. No doubt Sturm would reject a rematch at a neutral venue, so I hope Macklin looks for a different route to the top, with perhaps a rematch down the line.
Cracking fight, best I've seen so far this year. Shame about the outcome.
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I though Macklin brought his A game while Sturm his C game. Overall Sturm's late rally got him a draw imo 114-114.
It still seems like a loss for Sturm though- no one would give him even a small chance against Martinez after seing this fight
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I though Macklin brought his A game while Sturm his C game. Overall Sturm's late rally got him a draw imo 114-114.
It still seems like a loss for Sturm though- no one would give him even a small chance against Martinez after seing this fight
Agreed it did feel like sturm wasn't there at his best, hence in a rematch id go with very clear felix win. Also while he looked less than stellar he's still the best opponent for martinez at the weight, felix is better than he showed. He's got a great jab when he uses it, and he's got fairly quick combos when he throws em. Martinez is awesome and strongly believe he'd win maybe even ko sturm late, but sturm would give him a decent fight for a while.
macklin had a great game plan which made it very hard to look good for sturn
i think the fight was hard to score because it was quality v volume
someone said earlier that macklin was hitting the arms and gloves, i dont agree with that, i think a lot of what he was doing was scoring
jim watt gave sturn one round where sturn only landed about 4 punches and macklin a lot more
i think macklin was 2 rounds up, and i agree with some, if the fight had of gone a couple more rounds i think sturn would have knocked him out
Re: Sturm v Macklin - Who won?
macklin won by clearly winning more rounds in a close fight , the best sturm could of hoped for was a home town biased draw . but instead we got a decision which does nothing to encourage boxers going to germany for a tittle fight against a german boxer
