Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Hornfinger
Time the jab, step off to the side Right hand over the top. That will win the fight.
Its his only hope really.
Hope he's been practicing it. I recon the only way to time that reach and jab would be to have been practicing with a tall lanky lighter weighted fast ground coverer that throws controlling jabs.Then break down the timing with reactive footwork so that as he moves Haye also shifts or attacks the jab out of the way to disrupt balance so to still catch them coming and be in distance with a finishing combo as wlads reacting. Easier said than done if you haven't been doing it in sparring. that overhand right would be a wicked finisher if the opponent was still reacting to something else so it is unseen.
Still :p Wlad within 10 minutes.
Time the jab, step to the right and BOOM! Left hook by Wlad off the jab.
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Time the jab, step off to the side Right hand over the top. That will win the fight.
Its his only hope really.
Hope he's been practicing it. I recon the only way to time that reach and jab would be to have been practicing with a tall lanky lighter weighted fast ground coverer that throws controlling jabs.Then break down the timing with reactive footwork so that as he moves Haye also shifts or attacks the jab out of the way to disrupt balance so to still catch them coming and be in distance with a finishing combo as wlads reacting. Easier said than done if you haven't been doing it in sparring. that overhand right would be a wicked finisher if the opponent was still reacting to something else so it is unseen.
Still :p Wlad within 10 minutes.
Time the jab, step to the right and BOOM! Left hook by Wlad off the jab.
Yeah thats pretty much it, its why i thought he has to upset his balance or rhythm or something :-\ , its not just going to work by upsetting his feelings in an interview.
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Time the jab, step off to the side Right hand over the top. That will win the fight.
Its his only hope really.
Hope he's been practicing it. I recon the only way to time that reach and jab would be to have been practicing with a tall lanky lighter weighted fast ground coverer that throws controlling jabs.Then break down the timing with reactive footwork so that as he moves Haye also shifts or attacks the jab out of the way to disrupt balance so to still catch them coming and be in distance with a finishing combo as wlads reacting. Easier said than done if you haven't been doing it in sparring. that overhand right would be a wicked finisher if the opponent was still reacting to something else so it is unseen.
Still :p Wlad within 10 minutes.
Time the jab, step to the right and BOOM! Left hook by Wlad off the jab.
Yeah thats pretty much it, its why i thought he has to upset his balance or rhythm or something :-\ , its not just going to work by upsetting his feelings in an interview.
Seems like Me, Lyle & Marb all agree that Wlad's Hook is a huge threat...For me, It's the punch Haye wont see coming if he is not careful.
Haye cannot afford to spend too long simply avoiding jabs and setting traps but I'm sure he will find some success (from the middle of the ring to the ropes) by slipping / stepping/ sniping if he chooses to plant his feet at the right time. I've seen Chambers, Brock & Thompson all have varied success at this. The only problem all those guys had was that they weren't fast enough on their feet... Or they just didn't move at all.
Haye, I'm sure, can 'go missing' if he wants to which leads me to believe this can easily be a long fight, because Haye won't be as desperate as it may seem to some.
I think Haye believes that he will simply move a round the ring, flirt with Wladimir's punching range, keep him on edge and just pick his moments in getting to Wladimir.
I think a huge part of Hayes success in putting pressure on Wladimir and finding his chin is by showing that he can reach Wladimir's ribs... Not via bobbing and weaving or constant furious movements but by staying out of range, keeping Wladimir's foot work in check, picking his moments, feint up top and throwing downstairs.
He also has to realistic and assume that no amount of manoeuvring is going to engineer success in combination punching.
One of the reasons why is because nigh on every time someone takes a swing at Wladimir, he skips straight back (in a straight line), regardless of where the attacks come from or where he is situated around the ring. (Meaning this can be used against him to drive him to the ropes).
The other thing he does is strong-arm you two ways, either in a sort of arms out in the air like Hasim Rahman's 'My arms are longer than Lennox Lewis' sort of way which is effective at deflecting incoming punches... Or he simply pushes your head down.
The main thing is remembering that Wladimir always retreats in straight lines so if you can drive him back to the ropes where (if your smart, patient, explosive & accurate) you can probably initiate a more intense & sustained body attack (without bobbing and weaving as mentioned earlier) as Wladimir will instinctively look to do some very rudimentary things, none of which include protecting his body.
This puts Pressure on Wladimir to do some relatively rash things which puts him right where David wants him.
It's all about manoeuvring him to the ropes and putting pressure on him to lash out.
All of which would be far more easier to do in a southpaw stance IMO.
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Time the jab, step off to the side Right hand over the top. That will win the fight.
Its his only hope really.
Hope he's been practicing it. I recon the only way to time that reach and jab would be to have been practicing with a tall lanky lighter weighted fast ground coverer that throws controlling jabs.Then break down the timing with reactive footwork so that as he moves Haye also shifts or attacks the jab out of the way to disrupt balance so to still catch them coming and be in distance with a finishing combo as wlads reacting. Easier said than done if you haven't been doing it in sparring. that overhand right would be a wicked finisher if the opponent was still reacting to something else so it is unseen.
Still :p Wlad within 10 minutes.
Time the jab, step to the right and BOOM! Left hook by Wlad off the jab.
Wlad throws a left.
Haye steps off to his right (wlads left) outside of the jab...
How the fuck is wlad going to land a left hook from that position? It's nearly physically imposible.
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Time the jab, step off to the side Right hand over the top. That will win the fight.
Its his only hope really.
Hope he's been practicing it. I recon the only way to time that reach and jab would be to have been practicing with a tall lanky lighter weighted fast ground coverer that throws controlling jabs.Then break down the timing with reactive footwork so that as he moves Haye also shifts or attacks the jab out of the way to disrupt balance so to still catch them coming and be in distance with a finishing combo as wlads reacting. Easier said than done if you haven't been doing it in sparring. that overhand right would be a wicked finisher if the opponent was still reacting to something else so it is unseen.
Still :p Wlad within 10 minutes.
Time the jab, step to the right and BOOM! Left hook by Wlad off the jab.
Wlad throws a left.
Haye steps off to his right (wlads left) outside of the jab...
How the fuck is wlad going to land a left hook from that position? It's nearly physically imposible.
It would depend on the position of the feet.
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
I couldn't care less who wins. But here's what I don't get.
If there was an American/African/Asian fighter with the following characteristics
6'3, 210
Former cruiser champ
Four fights in three years
Threw 13 punches a round in his only legit heavyweight win
Has been knocked down four times in his career
In last fight stood still and didn't throw for two rounds against a shot journeyman
Wouldn't everyone be complaining Wlad's competition still stinks?
you do care who wins you are clearly pro wlad
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
I couldn't care less who wins. But here's what I don't get.
If there was an American/African/Asian fighter with the following characteristics
6'3, 210
Former cruiser champ
Four fights in three years
Threw 13 punches a round in his only legit heavyweight win
Has been knocked down four times in his career
In last fight stood still and didn't throw for two rounds against a shot journeyman
Wouldn't everyone be complaining Wlad's competition still stinks?
you do care who wins you are clearly pro wlad
Marbs, I missed your post 1st time round. I'm surprised that you think him being not being American/African/Asian has any impact on the public perception of Haye. The level of Hype around Haye is not affected by his nationality.
And your 'characteristics' are somewhat tailored.
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
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Originally Posted by
Jimanuel Boogustus
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
I couldn't care less who wins. But here's what I don't get.
If there was an American/African/Asian fighter with the following characteristics
6'3, 210
Former cruiser champ
Four fights in three years
Threw 13 punches a round in his only legit heavyweight win
Has been knocked down four times in his career
In last fight stood still and didn't throw for two rounds against a shot journeyman
Wouldn't everyone be complaining Wlad's competition still stinks?
you do care who wins you are clearly pro wlad
Wow. I missed this post! Marbs, seriously...? :-\
you missed which post?
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
I think Haye needs to pressure him early. Wlad in my opinion doesn't box well on the back foot. As an Englishman and for the good of the Universe I hope Haye wins but, I have a feeling Wlad will knock him out between rounds 7-9.
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
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Originally Posted by
Jimanuel Boogustus
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Time the jab, step off to the side Right hand over the top. That will win the fight.
Its his only hope really.
Hope he's been practicing it. I recon the only way to time that reach and jab would be to have been practicing with a tall lanky lighter weighted fast ground coverer that throws controlling jabs.Then break down the timing with reactive footwork so that as he moves Haye also shifts or attacks the jab out of the way to disrupt balance so to still catch them coming and be in distance with a finishing combo as wlads reacting. Easier said than done if you haven't been doing it in sparring. that overhand right would be a wicked finisher if the opponent was still reacting to something else so it is unseen.
Still :p Wlad within 10 minutes.
Time the jab, step to the right and BOOM! Left hook by Wlad off the jab.
Wlad throws a left.
Haye steps off to his right (wlads left) outside of the jab...
How the fuck is wlad going to land a left hook from that position? It's nearly physically imposible.
It would depend on the position of the feet.
No because Haye is outside of wlads glove. To hit him with a left hook wlad would basically have to hit haye with the back of his left glove to wind up the hook.
if executed correctly hayes whole position would be out side of wlads left foot. Haye would effectively be attacking from the side. To counter the counter with a left hook wouldn't be possible or practicle.
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
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BIG H
I honestly don't rate Wlad that highly in an all time capacity. He's the 2nd best out there now and has had a very good career. His brother is far superior imo.
I also think Haye is vastly overrated, I just don't see what everybody else seems to. I have never been sold on him and still am not.
I really want Haye to win, but I think he is going to get beaten like a little boy. First time Wlad connects properly Haye is toast imo.
That said, I give him a punchers chance and for me his best bet is to come out in round 1 a la Tyson and go for it!!!
I agree with this 100% people talk of speed and distance , Haye has a chance early , but if he ships a big punch from Wlad a true HW puncher he will be Koed.
This is the most exciting build up in years for a hw fight. bombs away!!!!!
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
Haye fans? Bunch of homos.
The winning formula is not to prepare by fighting Barrett and Harrison, Adamek has a better HW resume for crying out loud.
This beatdown is going to be fun.
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
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miles
Haye fans? Bunch of homos.
The winning formula is not to prepare by fighting Barrett and Harrison, Adamek has a better HW resume for crying out loud.
This beatdown is going to be fun.
It is probably true that there are some homo haye fans but there are a lot more homo wlad fans. FACT
:)
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
miles
Haye fans? Bunch of homos.
The winning formula is not to prepare by fighting Barrett and Harrison, Adamek has a better HW resume for crying out loud.
This beatdown is going to be fun.
It is probably true that there are some homo haye fans but there are a lot more homo wlad fans. FACT
:)
Nah, but there are some for sure. It's all in good fun.
Re: Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
miles
Haye fans? Bunch of homos.
The winning formula is not to prepare by fighting Barrett and Harrison, Adamek has a better HW resume for crying out loud.
This beatdown is going to be fun.
It is probably true that there are some homo haye fans but there are a lot more homo wlad fans. FACT
:)
Nah, but there are some for sure. It's all in good fun.
exactly miles, good to see there are some light hearted wlad fans
where are you watching it?
