Haye would've "gotten the last laugh" if he had actually done what he said he was going to do... win the heavyweight title.
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Haye would've "gotten the last laugh" if he had actually done what he said he was going to do... win the heavyweight title.
This is something easily explained. The lack of any knockdowns is that both wereQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Etrified of getting in range. Neither has the best faith in their ability to defend, avoid or take a shot. With Haye it was blatantly obvious with those few looping overhand shots he tried that were miles away, he didnt want to get in range. As for Wlad, I was screaming at the screen for him to throw the fucking right hand!
The shots that did land had no real conviction in them, none were thrown with the full body and effort behind them and in range. Haye did alot of pointless upper body movement while out of range but still got caught with shots. He has no idea of how to get in range and not get hit like a Mike Tyson for instance.
Clueless about what? Are you going to deny that half of Britain's boxing fans thought this clown was the greatest British HW since LL?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterAre you trying to challenge Generalbulldog for Saddo's P4P most clueless world-view poster?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Sure it's about money, but what Jack might have added is, don't promise your fans the moon, put on a shitty performance and just take their money either.
Yes, Fenster, some of Wlad's fights are boring, that's a given, however, you expect to get what you get from Wlad, but I can't help but like the big Ukranian a bit.
Come on bro, lot's a people were fooled by Haye, he had half of UK's boxing fans duped into believing he was the next coming of Lennox Lewis. And don't try telling me that most of his fans in the UK didn't think they were going to see something like Wlad vs Sanders. FACT!
Anyway Fenster, try not to get so emotional, and look at things from a more a more objective point of view. ;D
cheers
I've never seen a single person EVER say Haye was the next Lennox Lewis. More than half the UK posters on this site thought Haye was going to lose.
For a 60+ year-old guy surely Haye isn't the first fighter you've irrationally hated? I'm surprised you've lasted this long showing such venom for one man? Amazing.
Like i've told you before Fenster, I can't stand anything about Haye, but he ain't worth the effort it would take to hate him. You seem to not be able to differentiate, between simple criticism and hate, and you become defensive, "irrational", and overly emotional, when you believe your boy Haye is being attacked.
Even though you might not think so, Haye is deserving of ANY criticism he's getting, "hate" and has little to do with it, it's all fun and games.
Would they not have a case then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
You said half of Britain thought he was the next coming of Lennox Lewis. Prove it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axClueless about what? Are you going to deny that half of Britain's boxing fans thought this clown was the greatest British HW since LL?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterAre you trying to challenge Generalbulldog for Saddo's P4P most clueless world-view poster?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Sure it's about money, but what Jack might have added is, don't promise your fans the moon, put on a shitty performance and just take their money either.
Yes, Fenster, some of Wlad's fights are boring, that's a given, however, you expect to get what you get from Wlad, but I can't help but like the big Ukranian a bit.
Come on bro, lot's a people were fooled by Haye, he had half of UK's boxing fans duped into believing he was the next coming of Lennox Lewis. And don't try telling me that most of his fans in the UK didn't think they were going to see something like Wlad vs Sanders. FACT!
Anyway Fenster, try not to get so emotional, and look at things from a more a more objective point of view. ;D
cheers
I've never seen a single person EVER say Haye was the next Lennox Lewis. More than half the UK posters on this site thought Haye was going to lose.
For a 60+ year-old guy surely Haye isn't the first fighter you've irrationally hated? I'm surprised you've lasted this long showing such venom for one man? Amazing.
Like i've told you before Fenster, I can't stand anything about Haye, but he ain't worth the effort it would take to hate him. You seem to not be able to differentiate, between simple criticism and hate, and you become defensive, "irrational", and overly emotional, when you believe your boy Haye is being attacked.
Even though you might not think so, Haye is deserving of ANY criticism he's getting, "hate" and has little to do with it, it's all fun and games.
If you care so little for Haye why keep making threads and posts about him? None of which are positive.
I haven't defended Haye over a thing. Merely countering some uncalled-for nonsense.
Not if they thought he was anywhere close to being as good of a HW as Lewis. I mean WTF am I saying wrong here, I'm not saying all fans in the UK worshipped and overrated Haye to the hilt, but plenty did. You live there Memphis so you oughta know better then me, look at how many delusional Haye fans showed up in Hamburg expecting to see Wlad get knocked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisWould they not have a case then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Sorry my mistake, I thought you said greatest since LL, not anywhere close to being as good as Lewis, different things arent they my man, my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axNot if they thought he was anywhere close to being as good of a HW as Lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisWould they not have a case then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
I'd like to think that most people would be hoping rather than expecting. Anyone expecting got it wrong, simple, its no biggie, they just wouldnt be welcome on a boxing forum full of experts who get it right all the time is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Oh really? Like none of what you've posted in the endless post fight threads has been about defending Haye? :LOLATYOU:Quote:
You said half of Britain thought he was the next coming of Lennox Lewis. Prove it?
If you care so little for Haye why keep making threads and posts about him? None of which are positive.
I haven't defended Haye over a thing. Merely countering some uncalled-for nonsense
Like I said, Haye deserves everything that's coming his way, he brought it on himself, as for negative posts and threads about him. I haven't gone overboard posting threads about him, i'm just countering some uncalled-for bullshit by Haye and his fans and, telling it the way I see it..
But the real question is: if that's Haye's last big time fight, is it enough to get him to his real goal - becoming the first black James Bond? :D
You'd have to show me what i've been defending?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Barring the accusation that he's a coward, which is pathetic, I haven't defended anything else.
This thread you've started was about Haye making tons of money. I agreed with you.
Have I ever denied he lost? No.
Did I defend the toe excuse? No.
I don't believe his performance was as horrible as most. I don't think I was conned. I enjoyed the whole event.
Not sure what you're getting at? I guess you can't prove half of British fans thought he was the next Lennox Lewis then?
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Totally agree!
Money is also the reason why the rematch will happen.
We're more apt to see Haye vs the Chisora-Fury winner due to money, I mean you Brits LOOOOVE some David Haye, why not welcome him back with a huge match like that....or do those guys play too rough?
Wlad-Povetkin is likely next and I figure now that Wlad has the WBA belt a Valuev fight may be attainable.
Well considering Haye fought like that against Valuev, it's not exactly inconceivable. And don't you dare try and mention hindsight because i've already been there. Already mentioned that Haye likes to go missing, take his time and pick his shots. And as for Wladimir picking his shots, the only punch he landed more or at a better connection rate (or both) was his jab!Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongNobody....NOBODY thought Haye would "fight" (if you can even call it that) the way he did. Some people expected a Valuev type fight, some expected a Harrison type fight....but you didn't even get those. Wlad pressed the action. Wlad picks his punches and that's why he landed more and at a higher percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterAre you trying to challenge Generalbulldog for Saddo's P4P most clueless world-view poster?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Sure it's about money, but what Jack might have added is, don't promise your fans the moon, put on a shitty performance and just take their money either.
Yes, Fenster, some of Wlad's fights are boring, that's a given, however, you expect to get what you get from Wlad, but I can't help but like the big Ukranian a bit.
Come on bro, lot's a people were fooled by Haye, he had half of UK's boxing fans duped into believing he was the next coming of Lennox Lewis. And don't try telling me that most of his fans in the UK didn't think they were going to see something like Wlad vs Sanders. FACT!
Anyway Fenster, try not to get so emotional, and look at things from a more a more objective point of view. ;D
cheers
I've never seen a single person EVER say Haye was the next Lennox Lewis. More than half the UK posters on this site thought Haye was going to lose.
For a 60+ year-old guy surely Haye isn't the first fighter you've irrationally hated? I'm surprised you've lasted this long showing such venom for one man? Amazing.
You're looking for an excuse out of me for why Wlad didn't come out guns a blazing...well hell I don't know Wlad had said all along he wanted a 12th round KO, so shit I don't know. I was a little impressed that Haye took the punches Wlad threw as well as he did and I fully admit I didn't think he could. But why wasn't Haye as he advertised himself? Was it just the broken toe or did he have a hang nail too?
Allow me to ask this, when is the next time that you think David Haye will be on HBO? I'm pretty sure Wlad will be back on soon.
Lyle answer me this, when exactly did Ibragimov throw anything that resembled a hurtfull punch? This fight was nothing like the Ibragimov fight. Boring maybe but imo no more boring than the Mayweather Dela Hoya fight.
Now answer me this, when was the last time you saw a wildly exciting superfight?
No it'd be crap because david would beat either of them very very easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
i don't class that as a huge match. Besides I heard Wlad wants the winner anyway.