Re: British/Common Wealth titles ? What do they mean ?
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marbleheadmaui
Back in the day when there was one world champion per division regional titles were enormously prestigious and important. The Commonwealth crown, the Euro Crown and the OPBF (Asia) champs were often in line for a "world title" shot.
I'm pretty sure the difference is the British Crown is the Champ of the British Isles (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) while the Commonwealth involves those areas as well as Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other former British Colonies like Ghana and other parts of Africa.
Of course one has to be a citizen of those places to be a champ. An American can't be British champ even if he beats him.
I'm pretty sure all that is accurate.
Thank you Mr. Boxing Encyclopedia ;D
Thats interesting that an American can't win the title.
Hilarious. That's a "McFly" moment if ever there was one ;D
These titles still are important to fighters. Apart from the prestige of being the champion of your country/europe/commonwealth, the champion is gauranteed the lions share of purse splits for defences, and in the case of the European title, gaurantee a top 10-15 rating with the WBC. Couple of defences and you'll be top 5.
So these stepping stone titles help promote you to a "world" title shot. Currently see Darren Barker-Sergio Martinez. Barker is (was) the European champion, had a top 3 rating with the WBC and gets a shot at their champ.
Re: British/Common Wealth titles ? What do they mean ?
I think anything that relates to the commonwealth should be scrapped. That includes the Commonwealth Games. Just a daft outdated relic.
The British Title is still very prestigious though, but maybe if only for fighters that are never gonna be world beaters? :-\
Re: British/Common Wealth titles ? What do they mean ?
^^ Sounds like the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS the americans hold for so many sports (yet are only inclusive of american teams) LOL :)
I don't see a problem with it at all, but I do have a problem with so many CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD etc ... It is clear, this belt is champion of the commonwealth states, the british one reflecting the british isles... Dont see an issue?
Re: British/Common Wealth titles ? What do they mean ?
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
Back in the day when there was one world champion per division regional titles were enormously prestigious and important. The Commonwealth crown, the Euro Crown and the OPBF (Asia) champs were often in line for a "world title" shot.
I'm pretty sure the difference is the British Crown is the Champ of the British Isles (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) while the Commonwealth involves those areas as well as Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other former British Colonies like Ghana and other parts of Africa.
Of course one has to be a citizen of those places to be a champ. An American can't be British champ even if he beats him.
I'm pretty sure all that is accurate.
Thank you Mr. Boxing Encyclopedia ;D
Thats interesting that an American can't win the title.
Hilarious. That's a "McFly" moment if ever there was one ;D
These titles still are important to fighters. Apart from the prestige of being the champion of your country/europe/commonwealth, the champion is gauranteed the lions share of purse splits for defences, and in the case of the European title, gaurantee a top 10-15 rating with the WBC. Couple of defences and you'll be top 5.
So these stepping stone titles help promote you to a "world" title shot. Currently see Darren Barker-Sergio Martinez. Barker is (was) the European champion, had a top 3 rating with the WBC and gets a shot at their champ.
See the key there is there is ONE Brit/Commonwealth Champ. There IS value in that. Wait until the WBA creates intermi, regular, super, emeritus, diamond belt and the dreaded silver belt Brit titles! Then EVERYONE can be a champ ;)
Re: British/Common Wealth titles ? What do they mean ?
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marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
Back in the day when there was one world champion per division regional titles were enormously prestigious and important. The Commonwealth crown, the Euro Crown and the OPBF (Asia) champs were often in line for a "world title" shot.
I'm pretty sure the difference is the British Crown is the Champ of the British Isles (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) while the Commonwealth involves those areas as well as Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other former British Colonies like Ghana and other parts of Africa.
Of course one has to be a citizen of those places to be a champ. An American can't be British champ even if he beats him.
I'm pretty sure all that is accurate.
Thank you Mr. Boxing Encyclopedia ;D
Thats interesting that an American can't win the title.
Hilarious. That's a "McFly" moment if ever there was one ;D
These titles still are important to fighters. Apart from the prestige of being the champion of your country/europe/commonwealth, the champion is gauranteed the lions share of purse splits for defences, and in the case of the European title, gaurantee a top 10-15 rating with the WBC. Couple of defences and you'll be top 5.
So these stepping stone titles help promote you to a "world" title shot. Currently see Darren Barker-Sergio Martinez. Barker is (was) the European champion, had a top 3 rating with the WBC and gets a shot at their champ.
See the key there is there is ONE Brit/Commonwealth Champ. There IS value in that. Wait until the WBA creates intermi, regular, super, emeritus, diamond belt and the dreaded silver belt Brit titles! Then EVERYONE can be a champ ;)
Thankfully not even the ridiculous world of boxing can get away with multiple champs per country/county/area. I bet it's been attempted/discussed though ;)
Re: British/Common Wealth titles ? What do they mean ?
Frank Bruno never won a commonwealth title, but Lennox Lewis did and went through the title ‘old school’ and worked his way up to European and then world title, which is the order and status of them. He could have fought Rudduck for it when they met too I believe.
The Lonsdale belt is the prettiest belt of them all.
Re: British/Common Wealth titles ? What do they mean ?
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Master
Frank Bruno never won a commonwealth title, but Lennox Lewis did and went through the title ‘old school’ and worked his way up to European and then world title, which is the order and status of them. He could have fought Rudduck for it when they met too I believe.
The Lonsdale belt is the prettiest belt of them all.
Woo Hooo!
I LOVE the Lonsdale Belt!
Re: British/Common Wealth titles ? What do they mean ?
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Fenster
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Hulk
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
Back in the day when there was one world champion per division regional titles were enormously prestigious and important. The Commonwealth crown, the Euro Crown and the OPBF (Asia) champs were often in line for a "world title" shot.
I'm pretty sure the difference is the British Crown is the Champ of the British Isles (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) while the Commonwealth involves those areas as well as Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other former British Colonies like Ghana and other parts of Africa.
Of course one has to be a citizen of those places to be a champ. An American can't be British champ even if he beats him.
I'm pretty sure all that is accurate.
Thank you Mr. Boxing Encyclopedia ;D
Thats interesting that an American can't win the title.
Hilarious. That's a "McFly" moment if ever there was one ;D
These titles still are important to fighters. Apart from the prestige of being the champion of your country/europe/commonwealth, the champion is gauranteed the lions share of purse splits for defences, and in the case of the European title, gaurantee a top 10-15 rating with the WBC. Couple of defences and you'll be top 5.
So these stepping stone titles help promote you to a "world" title shot. Currently see Darren Barker-Sergio Martinez. Barker is (was) the European champion, had a top 3 rating with the WBC and gets a shot at their champ.
McFly ? As in from Back to the Future ?
I was simply stating that it is surprising that if an American or any other nationality beats a Brit for the British or Commonwealth title, then he cannot win the title. Not that he would really give a shit about it in the first place ;D;)
Re: British/Common Wealth titles ? What do they mean ?
The British title is a big deal. If you defend it twice you win the Lonsdale belt, a belt you get to keep outright. Throughout British history it's been one of the most sought after honours for many British fighters and those who have won it are well remembered in British boxing history.
The list of outright winners is actually pretty small.
From Wikipedia
Re: British/Common Wealth titles ? What do they mean ?
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Bilbo
The British title is a big deal. If you defend it twice you win the Lonsdale belt, a belt you get to keep outright. Throughout British history it's been one of the most sought after honours for many British fighters and those who have won it are well remembered in British boxing history.
The list of outright winners is actually pretty small.
From Wikipedia
That is a fascinating list! Thanks.
Winstone is one of those guys we don't talk about enough.
Re: British/Common Wealth titles ? What do they mean ?
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Scott Dan is on there, was just chatting about him in another thread, one of the guys trains in a gym with him, he's a local lad.
Named next to some prestigious names.
Seriously. I count four no bullspit ATG and three other great fighters on that list. That's some company your friend is keeping.
Re: British/Common Wealth titles ? What do they mean ?
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marbleheadmaui
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Bilbo
The British title is a big deal. If you defend it twice you win the Lonsdale belt, a belt you get to keep outright. Throughout British history it's been one of the most sought after honours for many British fighters and those who have won it are well remembered in British boxing history.
The list of outright winners is actually pretty small.
From Wikipedia
That is a fascinating list! Thanks.
Winstone is one of those guys we don't talk about enough.
I heard a while back that there was a film about Winstone coming out. Might be interesting.