Well as that was the first time p4p rankings were actually published? It was all unheard of ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
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Well as that was the first time p4p rankings were actually published? It was all unheard of ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
OF COURSE people had seen things like him in boxing. He was just the latest and so a hot topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Hulk. What's with the sig? ;D
Which heavyweights?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiOF COURSE people had seen things like him in boxing. He was just the latest and so a hot topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Tyson DULL??????????? Are we talking about the same guy? Robin Givens, streetfight with Blood Greene, raised pigeons, former juvenile delinquent? Dull?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HExactly mate - as I said in the other thread. If Tyson wasn't something special why has nobody before or since been talked about and caused so much excitement. It's not a coincidence or luck! He wasn't an Ali, i.e a great talker and a star outside the ring, he was dull as fuck outside the ring. He was just an awesome fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Who exactly? Foreman yes, Liston maybe, and....Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiOF COURSE people had seen things like him in boxing. He was just the latest and so a hot topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Dempsey (bigger than babe Ruth while Ruth was in his heydey), Louis (bigger than everyone at 22 and remained there for a decade), Liston (so scary even Patterson brought a disguise), Foreman (people were literally fearing for Ali's life) and Ali for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWhich heavyweights?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiOF COURSE people had seen things like him in boxing. He was just the latest and so a hot topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I would say with some confidence that in terms of excitement created due to their efforts in the ring none of those names come close (great as they may actually have been)Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiDempsey (bigger than babe Ruth while Ruth was in his heydey), Louis (bigger than everyone at 22 and remained there for a decade), Liston (so scary even Patterson brought a disguise), Foreman (people were literally fearing for Ali's life) and Ali for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWhich heavyweights?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiOF COURSE people had seen things like him in boxing. He was just the latest and so a hot topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
THAT statement is INSANE! Jack Dempsey was THE star in the Golden Age of American sport. Bigger than Ruth, Bobby Jones, Bill Tilden, Red Grange, Knute Rockne and Notre Dame etc. He CREATED the event fight. He was so big he drew 100,000 person crowds and made a fortune making films while he was champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI would say with some confidence that in terms of excitement created due to their efforts in the ring none of those names come close (great as they may actually have been)Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiDempsey (bigger than babe Ruth while Ruth was in his heydey), Louis (bigger than everyone at 22 and remained there for a decade), Liston (so scary even Patterson brought a disguise), Foreman (people were literally fearing for Ali's life) and Ali for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWhich heavyweights?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiOF COURSE people had seen things like him in boxing. He was just the latest and so a hot topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Foreman was literally thought to be life threatening, something I never heard said about Tyson. Exciting? Maybe not the right descriptive word. He was thought to be a bringer of doom.
Louis? Watch interviews or read the writings of prominent black political, literary and art figures who have commented on what their neighborhoods were like the night of Louis fights. Then read Jimmy Cannon or how President Roosevelt treated Louis before the second Schmeling fight. The respect and even awe in which Louis was held in his own time is demonstrable.
Tyson had an aura and a raw presence. You can call it hype, marketing, fanfare, intensity, explosivness whatever but it did equal if not surpass his actual in the ring ability for me. Just because someone "knows" the name doesn't mean that they can give you an accurate account of his career and opposition. Last year I ran into this in the coffee shop, was talking loose about him being in the movies and a guy claiming "to love Tyson" turns and ask seriously if he can again reclaim a heavyweight title?! I say no man. He proceeds to get excited and almost imitate a fighter..."ahh come on brah, with that mean streak and power I hink he fo sho can"...THAT people is hype, some credible memory and an aura outrunning reality.
* I think you can lay a huge pet peeve at the Tyson talk as well. Its that power in and of itself is the ultimate end game but it can also be severly overrated. Everyone loves ko's and the finality of it but when a guy has to fall back, have some shake it off and shift gears to find victory that for me is when you really find out what they are made of. and maybe only then.
I will say though that I shook Tyson's hand at a party in 1987 and he was a scary, scary dude. How much of that was in my head and how much was the way he carried himself? I dunno. But I couldn't get away fast enough ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
You are on a different planet!!Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiTHAT statement is INSANE! Jack Dempsey was THE star in the Golden Age of American sport. Bigger than Ruth, Bobby Jones, Bill Tilden, Red Grange, Knute Rockne and Notre Dame etc. He CREATED the event fight. He was so big he drew 100,000 person crowds and made a fortune making films while he was champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI would say with some confidence that in terms of excitement created due to their efforts in the ring none of those names come close (great as they may actually have been)Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiDempsey (bigger than babe Ruth while Ruth was in his heydey), Louis (bigger than everyone at 22 and remained there for a decade), Liston (so scary even Patterson brought a disguise), Foreman (people were literally fearing for Ali's life) and Ali for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWhich heavyweights?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiOF COURSE people had seen things like him in boxing. He was just the latest and so a hot topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Foreman was literally thought to be life threatening, something I never heard said about Tyson. Exciting? Maybe not the right descriptive word. He was thought to be a bringer of doom.
Louis? Watch interviews or read the writings of prominent black political, literary and art figures who have commented on what their neighborhoods were like the night of Louis fights. Then read Jimmy Cannon or how President Roosevelt treated Louis before the second Schmeling fight. The respect and even awe in which Louis was held in his own time is demonstrable.
Mike Tyson is one of the most famous people who has ever lived!!
I kid you not, my wife's nan is staying with us as it's her 90th birthday tomorrow. I just asked her if she knew who George Foreman, or Jack Demsey were - she didn't! But she knew who Tyson was!
Elvis
Ali
Princess Diana
Mother Theresa
Michaelangelo
Michale Jackson
The Beatles
Mike Tyson
;D
Ask Lennox Lewis why he shit his pants, in his fight against Tyson. He had fear on his face, fear in his body language. Had to cheat the whole fight, didn't want to fight, just hold all night long. If you have to hold and cheat all fight long, you are a scared little pussy. Lewis should have been dq'd for holding. He wanted to hold Mikey all night long in his arms. Had size,weight and reach advantage and still was scared shitless of an almost shot Tyson. Lewis would have been sparked in the first round if not allowed to cheat. And this by an almost shot Tyson.
Yeah, my planet didn't begin in 1985 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HYou are on a different planet!!Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiTHAT statement is INSANE! Jack Dempsey was THE star in the Golden Age of American sport. Bigger than Ruth, Bobby Jones, Bill Tilden, Red Grange, Knute Rockne and Notre Dame etc. He CREATED the event fight. He was so big he drew 100,000 person crowds and made a fortune making films while he was champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI would say with some confidence that in terms of excitement created due to their efforts in the ring none of those names come close (great as they may actually have been)Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiDempsey (bigger than babe Ruth while Ruth was in his heydey), Louis (bigger than everyone at 22 and remained there for a decade), Liston (so scary even Patterson brought a disguise), Foreman (people were literally fearing for Ali's life) and Ali for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWhich heavyweights?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiOF COURSE people had seen things like him in boxing. He was just the latest and so a hot topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Foreman was literally thought to be life threatening, something I never heard said about Tyson. Exciting? Maybe not the right descriptive word. He was thought to be a bringer of doom.
Louis? Watch interviews or read the writings of prominent black political, literary and art figures who have commented on what their neighborhoods were like the night of Louis fights. Then read Jimmy Cannon or how President Roosevelt treated Louis before the second Schmeling fight. The respect and even awe in which Louis was held in his own time is demonstrable.
Mike Tyson is one of the most famous people who has ever lived!!
I kid you not, my wife's nan is staying with us as it's her 90th birthday tomorrow. I just asked her if she knew who George Foreman, or Jack Demsey were - she didn't! But she knew who Tyson was!
Elvis
Ali
Princess Diana
Mother Theresa
Michaelangelo
Michale Jackson
The Beatles
Mike Tyson
;D
No, your planet ended in 1955 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiYeah, my planet didn't begin in 1985 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HYou are on a different planet!!Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiTHAT statement is INSANE! Jack Dempsey was THE star in the Golden Age of American sport. Bigger than Ruth, Bobby Jones, Bill Tilden, Red Grange, Knute Rockne and Notre Dame etc. He CREATED the event fight. He was so big he drew 100,000 person crowds and made a fortune making films while he was champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI would say with some confidence that in terms of excitement created due to their efforts in the ring none of those names come close (great as they may actually have been)Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiDempsey (bigger than babe Ruth while Ruth was in his heydey), Louis (bigger than everyone at 22 and remained there for a decade), Liston (so scary even Patterson brought a disguise), Foreman (people were literally fearing for Ali's life) and Ali for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWhich heavyweights?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiOF COURSE people had seen things like him in boxing. He was just the latest and so a hot topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Foreman was literally thought to be life threatening, something I never heard said about Tyson. Exciting? Maybe not the right descriptive word. He was thought to be a bringer of doom.
Louis? Watch interviews or read the writings of prominent black political, literary and art figures who have commented on what their neighborhoods were like the night of Louis fights. Then read Jimmy Cannon or how President Roosevelt treated Louis before the second Schmeling fight. The respect and even awe in which Louis was held in his own time is demonstrable.
Mike Tyson is one of the most famous people who has ever lived!!
I kid you not, my wife's nan is staying with us as it's her 90th birthday tomorrow. I just asked her if she knew who George Foreman, or Jack Demsey were - she didn't! But she knew who Tyson was!
Elvis
Ali
Princess Diana
Mother Theresa
Michaelangelo
Michale Jackson
The Beatles
Mike Tyson
;D