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You must have watched a Brit feed of the fight, Darren did better then most people thought he would, but in no way shape or form did he "outbox" Martinez.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosco1984
As for Sergio being overrated, hardly, look at what he's accomplished in his last 4 fights, and tell me who besides Pacquiao and perhaps Donaire should be rated higher P4P?
I agree with Rosco Barker certainly won more rounds, than you guys are giving him credit for. I'd say he won 4 rounds clearly Martinez done nothing in the 1st half.
Great effort Barker. Really liked how you did every thing you could to get up after being dropped from a half blocked, open handed punch/slap that would of made Calzaghe proud. Even though you blocked it, it was no doubt still a monster punch
That punch gave him a perferated eardrum I heard. That was probably why he reacted the way he did from the partially blocked punch. I think he put up a good fight. Some people said Martinez could have got around his guard any time and finished the fight but I think he was one dimensional. When the drawing barker in move did not work he should have changed his tacktics. However he did not. I have not seen many of his fights, does he always fight like this or does he have other tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Barker dominated rounds 4 and 5. Pretty much from when he popped Martinez nose he had almost 4 rounds of being on top and Martinez just couldn't hit him.
It's a real shame he tired in the 10th and wa hanging for the KO in the next round.
the only time the word "dominated" and the name Barker should be used in describing this fight is when saying Martinez dominated Barker even after having a bit of a puzzled moment in the early rounds, Martinez up to around the 4th or 5th round was just trying to land up top, he saw that didn't work then he started landing hard straight lefts to the pit of Barker's stomach, most the jabs that Barker would land after words had most the power taken out of them by Martinez slipping and taking them on his forehead, fact is the smaller shorter man struggled for 2 rounds out of 11, he was puzzled for about 3 rounds then systematically broke down his opponent rocking him a couple times along the way, everyone saying he's overrated is either blind or on some crack, cause I didn't see anything on Saturday that made me think that Martinez can't beat the likes of Cotto, Margarito, Mayweather, or PacquiaoQuote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
seeing how the only thing that gave him problems was Barker's height, range, and good defense, neither of the guys mentioned above have all 3 of those qualities
agreed good disciplined performance but I agree with H and had Martinez about 5-6 up
and i dont honestly think he will make too much of an impact on world stage in future
Damage control. I seriously doubt his ear drum is bustedQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonThat punch gave him a perferated eardrum I heard. That was probably why he reacted the way he did from the partially blocked punch. I think he put up a good fight. Some people said Martinez could have got around his guard any time and finished the fight but I think he was one dimensional. When the drawing barker in move did not work he should have changed his tacktics. However he did not. I have not seen many of his fights, does he always fight like this or does he have other tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
you're acting like Darren Barker didn't give a good account of himself. he came into the fight in some books as a 18-1 underdog and he left the fight with most people thinking he has a good shot against many of the top guys in the division. i agree that martinez dominated, but barker should get at least some credit here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseDamage control. I seriously doubt his ear drum is bustedQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonThat punch gave him a perferated eardrum I heard. That was probably why he reacted the way he did from the partially blocked punch. I think he put up a good fight. Some people said Martinez could have got around his guard any time and finished the fight but I think he was one dimensional. When the drawing barker in move did not work he should have changed his tacktics. However he did not. I have not seen many of his fights, does he always fight like this or does he have other tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Barker vs. Sturm might be another "discipline boxing". And perhaps even more boring than Martinez-Barker fight. One thing is curious. One thing you should not mention now in UK is that Barker indeed is boring for boxing crowd. On the other hand many boxers like him can have success. At least he has European championship title. That's something to be proud of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Barker did all well what he can. And that's not much. On the other hand Barker's punishment would have been much more brutal if Martinez could punch sharp uppercuts. Just take a look at the fight couple of times and you'll find tens of chanches for Maravilla to kill Barker by uppercuts. Big minus for Martinez indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I thought Barker did well.
I had it pretty even going into the second half and can agree with him winning three rounds, all of the first 6 or so were close.
You have to give Martinez credit for figuring him out though. He broke him down very well in the second half. Maybe not a spectacular win but he showed he can adapt and still managed to KO a good fighter, with an excellent defense, even whilst he was blocking the punch. And in the 11th round as well, which shows he throws hard punches from the first bell to the last.
I'm still not sold on Martinez as being as good as the very elite guys, he's no match for a 160lb prime Hopkins imo and I think Andre Ward will prove himswlf a better fighter p4p over time, but right now he's clearly the best middleweight in the world, and he's knocking people out. None of Williams, Dzindizruk and Barker had ever been stopped before or ewven close to being stopped and he has legitmately KO'd all three. You can't argue with that.
Judge:
Lynne Carter 96-94
Victor Loughlin 97-94
Alejandro Rochin Mapula 99-91
Those scorecards are showing that Barker was hardly near to win the fight even before round 10. I gave him only 2 or 3 rounds before R10. It's quite the average of Carter, Loughlin and Mapula, which means "near the truth".
Take it violent demise has never boxed and defo not been unlucky enough to suffer a bust ear drum!well I hav in sparing and it's 1 ov the worst injurys I hav had.to claim ther wos nothing wrong with barker and went down after a slap is fucking unbelievable after putting on such a gd show!the pain ov such a injury is unbearable and also ur balance goes aswell!
96-94, and 97-94 show he was acquitting himself very well though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matias64
That corresponds well with how I saw it. I thought it was an even fight after 6, looks like two of the judges agreed.