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Yep absoluitely - same as Tyson's have. But, as you know, these losses shouldn't be considered, the same way as nobody doubts Ali's prime, just because he losts to Spinks and Berbwick.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
SRL fought better opposition, but RJJ fought alot longer at the top. I think had RJJ retired after the John Ruiz fight he could of been higher IMO, i think the losses have hurt his legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Easily SRL, Jones doesn't even make my top 100 all-time.
Roy Jones acheived more, SRL had a short prime, the comeback from Hagler was all gimmick. SRL greatest victory was against Hearns and he showed heart. RJJ did not really have a defining fight, just collected the titles and made everything look easy.
This is a tough one for me. Not taking into account the people they fought, and just looking at their athletic ability, then I would go for Roy. Boxing skills and slickness, tough one, but again Roy in his prime was untouchable, best display of this was against Toney. The amount of opponents he goaded by placing his hands behind his back and countering was more than I've ever seen.
May get stick for this but im going to pick Roy as the greater 'fighter' of the two.
You know i was looking at that Greg Page vs Mike Tyson sparring footage again, before the Buster Douglas fight. This one had a bit more footage and Greg Page easily hits Mike Tyson, with a solid right hand and seems to be troubling him, before the knockdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HYep absoluitely - same as Tyson's have. But, as you know, these losses shouldn't be considered, the same way as nobody doubts Ali's prime, just because he losts to Spinks and Berbwick.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBSRL fought better opposition, but RJJ fought alot longer at the top. I think had RJJ retired after the John Ruiz fight he could of been higher IMO, i think the losses have hurt his legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Im just wondering was it how good Buster Douglas was, or how bad Mike Tyson was. I actually think a motivated Witherspoon, Page, would of upset Mike Tyson that night aswell.
Because both were making comebacks in the 90's, and actually got motivated again. And both fighters always had a sturdy chin and very good natural ability, more so than Douglas IMO.
That really surprises me mate. Surely you must be basing some of that on the Taver fights and since? Looking at him up to and including Ruiz, it would be very hard not to have him at least top 20 IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Leonard and it's not even close for me. Jones was one of the most talented fighters ever, perhaps the most talented fighter even, but SRL's resume is second to none and that is what greatness is all about.
I agree that nobody has a more impressive record of victims in history than SRL has. It would look a lot different if the Hearns fight was 12 rounds (I know it's a moot point) and the Hagler decision had gone the other way. He deffo lost the 2nd Hearns fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Its about who you fight not how many titles you win RJJ was a great fighter but he did not come any where near fighting the fighters Sugar Ray did , hands down SRR is the better man :cool:
Well its kinda funny because Leonard and Jones really started to show there aged at the same time which is 36 years old. But i guess not everyone can be a Hopkins and last so fucking long.
I'm really surprised to see there being a debate on this topic. Leonard gets my vote without ANY hesitation.
I'm with the majority.... Sugar Ray. You can't even manufacture a better list of opponents than what SRL had in real life. Duran, Benitez, Hearns, Hagler.... all HOF'ers and ATG's.
Leonard
Jones Jr is doing irreparable damage to his legacy continuing to fight and losing to guys not good enough to carry his gym bag.
Trainer Monkey is the greatest.
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