Re: One of the BIGGEST wasted talents in boxing history :mad:
I doubt that Cintron really loves to box because as his bio indicated he was a wrestler in school and he was pretty good. He regretted not pursuing the life he really wanted and becme a boxing champion which is not bad for a guy that never really intended to box. He wanted a college education and I think that it's not too late for him to get it so Alvarez might have instilled that in this fight he should really think about packing it in before he is truly hurt. The one thing that I noticed in the HBO production was that he was distracted once again.
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i wouldn't say he has no heart. He was throwing back even when he was hurt vs Alvarez. The guy simply doesn't know how to adapt to the situation in the ring , if things aren't going his way. He has been thought to fight in one way and doesn't have a "Plan B"
Right, I just put it a different way, Cintron doesn't have to skills/talent/mentality needed to win at the next level, if "Plan A" fails he's pretty much fucked.
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I don't know about one of the biggest wasted talents, I'll leave that to the Fernando Vargas's of the world who were wonder children and we expected greatness while they went on to mediocre careers.. See we never expected greatness from a person who started boxing at 19 but he was a very talented fighter, but always underachieve what was expected of him. He came relative late to the sport of boxing so maybe that had something to do with it, although martinez did as well and he fared good. I always liked Kermit but maybe he just didnt have the mentality or heart of a champion, he always folded when it counted the most.
Fernando Vargas wasn't a wasted talent at all. He gave it all he had against Tito Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. He probably fought them too early in his career, but hell he peaked earlier than most fighters. He was World Champ at age 20 or something. I think the motorcycle injury that damaged his back screwed him up more than anything.
And Vargas would have kicked albino Alavarez's ass.
the motorcycle accident messed him up...but fighting a big puncher with loaded gloves damaged him first.
he never fought Margarito, that's who you must be referring to because Trinidad never had loaded gloves....people trying to compare the two when it's like night and day, Margarito had plaster on his wraps, Trinidad Sr's wrapping method was that he would distribute the tape more towards his wrist rather than his fist, it was only deemed illegal in NY not Vegas, where did Vargas fight Trinidad? oh right Vegas...
I wouldn't waste too many keystrokes on this fucking idiot.
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i'm pretty sure tito had an unfair advantage.
you can believe what you like. i'll believe what i like.
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gest12645
i wouldn't say he has no heart. He was throwing back even when he was hurt vs Alvarez. The guy simply doesn't know how to adapt to the situation in the ring , if things aren't going his way. He has been thought to fight in one way and doesn't have a "Plan B"
Watch his fights against Margarito, Williams and Martinez. He has no heart
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gest12645
i wouldn't say he has no heart. He was throwing back even when he was hurt vs Alvarez. The guy simply doesn't know how to adapt to the situation in the ring , if things aren't going his way. He has been thought to fight in one way and doesn't have a "Plan B"
That's how i saw it too.. Kermit lacks mental stability but he has some heart.. Everybody at this level does.. Heart-mental tougness are different.
A heartless young fighter isn't going to jump into a rematch with Margarito, and face Paul Williams/Martinez...
He just doesn't know how to fight out of pressure and the first margarito loss has alot to do with his lack of confidence imo... He doesn't know how to fight relaxed anymore cuz he doesnt believe in his ability as much after those losses..
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i wouldn't say he has no heart. He was throwing back even when he was hurt vs Alvarez. The guy simply doesn't know how to adapt to the situation in the ring , if things aren't going his way. He has been thought to fight in one way and doesn't have a "Plan B"
That's how i saw it too.. Kermit lacks mental stability but he has some heart.. Everybody at this level does.. Heart-mental tougness are different.
A heartless young fighter isn't going to jump into a rematch with Margarito, and face Paul Williams/Martinez...
He just doesn't know how to fight out of pressure and the first margarito loss has alot to do with his lack of confidence imo... He doesn't know how to fight relaxed anymore cuz he doesnt believe in his ability as much after those losses..
I think maybe also he's been a little mis-handled. How do you let a fighter put in such a half-hearted effort for 3-4 rounds..... only to see him come back and throw huge punches with bad intentions after he's already pretty much beaten? That continues to mystify me. Had he come out that way from Round 1, we may have had a much more interesting fight. He should've had someone to whip his mindset into shape, if that's possible.
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I don't know about one of the biggest wasted talents, I'll leave that to the Fernando Vargas's of the world who were wonder children and we expected greatness while they went on to mediocre careers.. See we never expected greatness from a person who started boxing at 19 but he was a very talented fighter, but always underachieve what was expected of him. He came relative late to the sport of boxing so maybe that had something to do with it, although martinez did as well and he fared good. I always liked Kermit but maybe he just didnt have the mentality or heart of a champion, he always folded when it counted the most.
Fernando Vargas wasn't a wasted talent at all. He gave it all he had against Tito Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. He probably fought them too early in his career, but hell he peaked earlier than most fighters. He was World Champ at age 20 or something. I think the motorcycle injury that damaged his back screwed him up more than anything.
And Vargas would have kicked albino Alavarez's ass.
Na, Vargas was brought up to fast when they pitted him against Trinidad and he gave a Trinidad all he could and gave him hell but he was never quite the same after. His fight with Oscar wasnt as competitive to me.
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I don't know about one of the biggest wasted talents, I'll leave that to the Fernando Vargas's of the world who were wonder children and we expected greatness while they went on to mediocre careers.. See we never expected greatness from a person who started boxing at 19 but he was a very talented fighter, but always underachieve what was expected of him. He came relative late to the sport of boxing so maybe that had something to do with it, although martinez did as well and he fared good. I always liked Kermit but maybe he just didnt have the mentality or heart of a champion, he always folded when it counted the most.
Fernando Vargas wasn't a wasted talent at all. He gave it all he had against Tito Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. He probably fought them too early in his career, but hell he peaked earlier than most fighters. He was World Champ at age 20 or something. I think the motorcycle injury that damaged his back screwed him up more than anything.
And Vargas would have kicked albino Alavarez's ass.
Na, Vargas was brought up to fast when they pitted him against Trinidad and he gave a Trinidad all he could and gave him hell but he was never quite the same after. His fight with Oscar wasnt as competitive to me.
I think Vargas allowed his ego and pride to dictate.
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outspoken
I don't know about one of the biggest wasted talents, I'll leave that to the Fernando Vargas's of the world who were wonder children and we expected greatness while they went on to mediocre careers.. See we never expected greatness from a person who started boxing at 19 but he was a very talented fighter, but always underachieve what was expected of him. He came relative late to the sport of boxing so maybe that had something to do with it, although martinez did as well and he fared good. I always liked Kermit but maybe he just didnt have the mentality or heart of a champion, he always folded when it counted the most.
Fernando Vargas wasn't a wasted talent at all. He gave it all he had against Tito Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. He probably fought them too early in his career, but hell he peaked earlier than most fighters. He was World Champ at age 20 or something. I think the motorcycle injury that damaged his back screwed him up more than anything.
And Vargas would have kicked albino Alavarez's ass.
Na, Vargas was brought up to fast when they pitted him against Trinidad and he gave a Trinidad all he could and gave him hell but he was never quite the same after. His fight with Oscar wasnt as competitive to me.
Vargas was not brought up to fast. The man had already beaten Ike Quartey, Winky Wright. Yory Boy Campas and Raul Marquez. What was he suppose to do? Wait till he was like 27 or 28 just to fight Trinidad? That's stupid. Vargas was young when he faced Trinidad. But he was ready. He just lost
