Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
a prime hattons punch resistence was very good
therefore i think he would beat khan, too much pressure
Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
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a prime hattons punch resistence was very good
therefore i think he would beat khan, too much pressure
Not it wasn't. It was just 'alright'. Fact.
Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
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But hatton won all those fights bar two so he must hav a better than average chin to last and win?? he lasted well & took alot of punishment against floyd and that punch against pac would of ko'd a baby elephant!! Im not sayin he was steve collins, but i dont think hattons chin was his problem i think he had a good punch resistance for mist if his career, his biggest problem was how one dimensonal he was....
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How can u say hatton had an average chin?? He spent half his career using his face to block punches!! and still survived to win loads of fights, ie kosta tyszu, collazo etc, even against floyd he took alot of punishment to last till last few rounds, i agree he was very 'face first' defence tho..... Thats probley he ended up shot all of a sudden!!
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Khan now beats any version of Hatton.
Miles, i think you are forgetting that Hatton has looked terrible when he's faced anybody with hand speed who can throw combinations. He simply has never had any answer for it.
I honestly think it would be quite one-sided.
The Hatton we saw against Pacquiao was the same Hatton we saw against everyone else he fought at world class level. He just looks that bad against speed and volume (not to mention southpaws). He had poor defence and a very average chin. He also had no survival instincts whatsoever, so he had no way of reacting to a clean punch.
I find your hatred for Khan quite worrying to be honest. I think you should see someone. ;D
Easy, he was hurt by Rios, Magee, Phillips, Collazo, Pacquiao, Mayweather and Lazcano.
Quite a few fairly average punchers in there. He's hardly Steve Collins.
You could argue that it can't have been bad because he hung in there and got the win, but the majority of those opponents just weren't good enough or were too past their prime to capitalise on hurting him. I think in his book he mentions something about Phillips hurting him really badly, but Phillips didn't realise at the time and he managed to recover.
I'm not saying his chin was bad or anything, but i think the fact that he stood up to Kostya Tszyu made everyone think Hatton was this fearless pressure fighter with a granite chin.
Getting back to the original point, i just don't see Hatton avoiding many of Khan's flurries. He just doesn't react to fast combinations well at all. I can see the argument for Hatton's pressure being a problem for Khan, but i'd imagine Khan's handspeed would be a much, much bigger problem for Hatton.
Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
I think Hattons foot speed is under rated. I knew this pro fighter who had sparred with hatton and he said that Hatton can close the distance really fast, so fast that its unexpected and he he hits quite hard too.
In a fight with Khan I think Hatton takes him, stops him late on. Khan would have fast and flashy early rounds then Hatton's pressure gets to him. Khan is clueless on the inside so Hatton would have him on the ropes up close landing left hooks.
Hatton TKO10
Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
Khan would stop that version of Hatton imo.
A prime Hatton would stop Khan though.
Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
Why the Hatton that fought Malignaggi? Im not sure what the distinction is there only that it was a decent performance yet not the superhuman effort he put in against Tszyu??
Ive always thought that Amir would smash Ricky to bits in quick time but now I dont think so. Amir doesnt have the firepower to keep Hatton off him, Ricky would be in like a flash and smashing hooks into Amir all night long.
Hatton by late TKO, Amir with stoved in ribs.
Im talking a prime Hatton, the one that (even if not prime) a very good Kostya Tszyu couldnt keep off. Lets allow Ricky to be at his best for this eh? ;D
Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
Hatton beats Khan. The Hatton that beat Malinaggi beats Khan on points. Hatton pre Mayweather stops Khan, probably with a hook to the body. The Lazcano fight showed that Ricky was never the same after the Mayweather fight, it was just a step too far. I remember at the time not being able to accept it ,and posting on here how Hatton was gonna smash Manny in the ribs all night and stop him early, and then fight night wondering who swapped Ricky for an anorexic doppleganger. Looking back his decline post Mayweather is pretty steep. Khan is better than he was in the fight with Peterson but Hatton, even the Hatton who took 11 rounds to stop Paulie beats Khan on points. Khan was still on the way up when fought Malinaggi and forced the ref to jump in during the same 11th round, Hatton's footwork was slowing down. Peterson charging across the ring as soon as the bell went, and jumping on Khan, demonstrated how a prime Ricky would stop him. Post Mayweather he was still the much more dangerous puncher compared to Peterson , and Hatton's sustained early pressure takes away Khans speed. Even with compromised foot speed Ricky would not back up, assuming he is allowed to fight on the inside and doesn't have Cortez refereeing, he wins on points.
Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
I chose a slightly shopworn Hatton because I think prime Hatton flat out slaughters Amir Khan. A brutal stoppage in 6. Hacking to the body and then a knockout to the head.
Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
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miles
I chose a slightly shopworn Hatton because I think prime Hatton flat out slaughters Amir Khan. A brutal stoppage in 6. Hacking to the body and then a knockout to the head.
I second this as well, Hatton at his best was a hell of a pressure fighter, it took Mayweather a good 5 or 6 rounds to really soften him up and start to pull away. I just don't see anything Khan has that would have kept Ricky's head off his chest for however long it lasted. People are really underrating Ricky to make out like Khan has an outright speed advantage, his hands are faster but footspeed is close and Hatton had a lot more method to his approach. Khan still has yet to show any infighting skills really, I don't see how this would even be much of a fight tbh.
Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
I say Ricky Hatton quit comfortably, can you imagine Amir Khan on the ropes getting hit by those vicious body shots ? he thought Lamont Peterson's body attack was tough, Ricky Hatton's body attack was on another level Hatton by TKO in middle rounds.
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miles
I chose a slightly shopworn Hatton because I think prime Hatton flat out slaughters Amir Khan. A brutal stoppage in 6. Hacking to the body and then a knockout to the head.
I second this as well, Hatton at his best was a hell of a pressure fighter, it took Mayweather a good 5 or 6 rounds to really soften him up and start to pull away. I just don't see anything Khan has that would have kept Ricky's head off his chest for however long it lasted. People are really underrating Ricky to make out like Khan has an outright speed advantage, his hands are faster but footspeed is close and Hatton had a lot more method to his approach. Khan still has yet to show any infighting skills really, I don't see how this would even be much of a fight tbh.
I think people are over-estimating Hatton to be honest. At his best he was still an inconsistent fighter. For every Tszyu performance, there was a Pedersen performance, or for every Castillo performance, there was a Collazo performance.
At his best, Hatton was very good against fighters who threw one punch at a time. But he has never excelled against fighters with fast hands who throw punches in bunches. Infact, the 3 who he has fought have either knocked him out or nearly knocked him out. Granted you have Pacquiao and Mayweather in there, but the manner of the Pacquiao loss suggests that he is far too open to excel against this kind of fighter.
Warren kept him away from this type of fighter for a reason.
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I say Ricky Hatton quit comfortably, can you imagine Amir Khan on the ropes getting hit by those vicious body shots ? he thought Lamont Peterson's body attack was tough, Ricky Hatton's body attack was on another level Hatton by TKO in middle rounds.
Ricky's body attack was great against WBU calibre fighters. Aside from the Castillo fight, he never really worked the body aswell as he should have done at world level.
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miles
I chose a slightly shopworn Hatton because I think prime Hatton flat out slaughters Amir Khan. A brutal stoppage in 6. Hacking to the body and then a knockout to the head.
I second this as well, Hatton at his best was a hell of a pressure fighter, it took Mayweather a good 5 or 6 rounds to really soften him up and start to pull away. I just don't see anything Khan has that would have kept Ricky's head off his chest for however long it lasted. People are really underrating Ricky to make out like Khan has an outright speed advantage, his hands are faster but footspeed is close and Hatton had a lot more method to his approach. Khan still has yet to show any infighting skills really, I don't see how this would even be much of a fight tbh.
I think people are over-estimating Hatton to be honest. At his best he was still an inconsistent fighter. For every Tszyu performance, there was a Pedersen performance, or for every Castillo performance, there was a Collazo performance.
At his best, Hatton was very good against fighters who threw one punch at a time. But he has never excelled against fighters with fast hands who throw punches in bunches. Infact, the 3 who he has fought have either knocked him out or nearly knocked him out. Granted you have Pacquiao and Mayweather in there, but the manner of the Pacquiao loss suggests that he is far too open to excel against this kind of fighter.
Warren kept him away from this type of fighter for a reason.
Ricky Hatton was having alot of problems outside the ring coming into Manny Pacquiao fight, granted he wouldn't of beaten Manny Pacquiao at anytime. But he was clearly not mentally ready for a fight like that, plus Manny Pacquiao is a Southpaw which Ricky Hatton always had problem's with since an Amateur which you already know, but i don't see what Pacquiao or Mayweather have in common with Amir Khan at all. One is a southpaw offensive machine, the other is a defensive genius, both things which Amir Khan is not.
You say about Ricky Hatton's trouble's what about Amir Khan's ? almost KO'ed by feather fisted Willie Limond, floored against Michael Gomez and hurt to the body aswell. Went to hell and back with both Maidana, Peterson.
Amir Khan has had problem's with pressure fighters, and has shown more vulnerability than Ricky Hatton ever did.
Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
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ono
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ICB
I say Ricky Hatton quit comfortably, can you imagine Amir Khan on the ropes getting hit by those vicious body shots ? he thought Lamont Peterson's body attack was tough, Ricky Hatton's body attack was on another level Hatton by TKO in middle rounds.
Ricky's body attack was great against WBU calibre fighters. Aside from the Castillo fight, he never really worked the body aswell as he should have done at world level.
Amirs got WBU level defence unfortunately ;D
