Roach needs to start teaching real proffesional fighting

Good thread - Pretty much what I echoed in another thread.

I've seen Taeth catch a lot of shit here but he broke that down pretty damn accurately. Clearly knows his boxing

PSL, please..this is an adults conversation...:rolleyes:

Good thread! The problem is, he obviously is not capable of teaching another way. And to make matters more difficult for him...i don't think at this point of his career, a fighter like Pac could even adapt to fight another way. His comfort zone is jumping forward...that is what he has always done. Maybe he has refined certain things...but that is essentially who is as a fighter. Fighters like Mayweather and Marquez are TECHNICIANS. They are supremely SKILLED fighters with great technique and high fighting IQ's. They can adapt to different styles and situations. That comes from being trained the proper way from a young age. A trainer like Nacho Bernstein knows more about the craft of boxing than Freddie Roach does. I don't care if Roach learned under Futch...Freddie is incredibly overrated as a trainer. Honestly, even a guy like Roger Mayweather knows more about the art of boxing than Roach.

It's hard to say that because we haven't seen Roach craft a boxer from scratch to my knowledge. That's the true mark of a talented trainer. Another is gradually changing a fighter like he did with Pacquiao and his right hand, I actually always felt that Pacquiao had a terrific right hand, he just didn't use it enough, but he has improved in all aspects, except how he comes it.

You are talking about Marquez being amazing at craft, but it tactics that held him close to Manny not superior technique, Manny was in better balance, threw less wild punches, and was much more solid on his feet in general, it's just when he comes in that it's always jumping in, Marquez has other flaws, like he doesn't catch punches with his hands worth shit, but he has a great chin and he moves his head to lessen the damager of punches, but Manny IMO showed better defense as well, he just wasn't able to adjust as well as Marquez. He usually just does the same thing and guys are so overwhelmed they don't make adjustments, and for all the things Marquez wasn't doing as well as PAcquiao, he adjusted better. He found his range easier because he wasn't leaping in the same way as Manny.

Floyd has masterful technique in some things, but in others not as much. Manny does things offensively that Floyd wouldn't dream of doing, and he throws his cross from way too far out to get much power on it, when he punches he often falls in after his punches, which stops his opponent from punching back, but also stops him from following up with combinations. He doesn't really dig in with his hooks the way that he could. Somestimes with his shoulder roll he gets himself in really fucked positions, but he is really great at adjusting and getting himself set again. He has great instincts and body awareness. It's that he's perfect that his record is, it's that he does more things better than anyone else. His +/- is higher than other guys if you add up all their qualities. Pacquiao has a lot going for him as does Amir Khan, but there things they need to change.

Watch the small changes Cotto made against MArgarito, he wasn't baked off quite the same way all the time, and when he stood his ground he was landing much harder shots. If I was Amir Khan I would want to learn all the subtle nuances on the inside because why wouldn't you? It's like an MMA guy mastering one thing, but leaving everything else at a low level. Khan has a lot going for him with his speed and combinations, but it's about when and where he uses them that matters, and when he isn't using them what is he doing to stop his opponent from bullrushing him.

Is it me or does it seem that the older and more unwell Freddie becomes the worse his fighters are becoming??
Is it starting to have an affect on his fighters going by there performances I reckon it's a possibility.

Apparently I'm trolling but that's what jealous people say