Jesus and Boxing

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I too find it weird that they thank god/jesus for hepling them beat someone up. Madness. Utter madness.

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I Agree.

Now if Byrd and Holyfield met, on who's side would God be on ? would the fight end a draw?
Also If a muslim boxer and christian boxer fought, could the winner proclaim that his God is the better?

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Originally Posted by Dia bando

Do you no what get's too me, when a boxer beat's the other fighter, and they say some thing
like this I have to thank God.? If god love's everybody doe's he love the winner more.?:confused:

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Maybe the winner is the one who prayed more. ;D

Generally, one's religion is important to that person, and being famous gives one a platform. If you don't want to hear what someone has to say, turn off the TV after the fight.

I tend to believe people should be private about their religion but can't say I've ever given much thought to professional athletes speaking about their faith post event. Seems pretty insignificant to me.

Whilst I don't believe God has favourite boxers or actively assists one fighter in beating up another I don't see the problem in someone having an attitude of grattitude for any blessings that happen to them in this life.

I also don't see anything threatening in it but I guess for an atheist who has accepted he is nothing and his life meaningless, an alternative world view where believers see themselves as valuable and loved would need to be ridiculed and rejected else the atheist might think he has got a raw deal.

Bent would justify boxing and his religion by saying that he would never throw the first punch in the ring. Herbie Hide finished him anyway.

Why not he had a pretty good cross :-\

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Originally Posted by Saddo

Why not he had a pretty good cross :-\

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bwhahaha pisser.;D

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Whilst I don't believe God has favourite boxers or actively assists one fighter in beating up another I don't see the problem in someone having an attitude of grattitude for any blessings that happen to them in this life.

I also don't see anything threatening in it but I guess for an atheist who has accepted he is nothing and his life meaningless, an alternative world view where believers see themselves as valuable and loved would need to be ridiculed and rejected else the atheist might think he has got a raw deal.

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Thats all very true.

Many people think of it like the Jehovas comming around and knocking your door though.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Whilst I don't believe God has favourite boxers or actively assists one fighter in beating up another I don't see the problem in someone having an attitude of grattitude for any blessings that happen to them in this life.

I also don't see anything threatening in it but I guess for an atheist who has accepted he is nothing and his life meaningless, an alternative world view where believers see themselves as valuable and loved would need to be ridiculed and rejected else the atheist might think he has got a raw deal.

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Being an atheist is the alternative world view. People were not even comfortable revealing that they were atheists until the 18th century but that is really beside the point. Atheists are not threatened by a boxer thanking Jesus post fight any more than they are troubled by your ridiculous assertion that only a believers life has meaning. The thread was not posted in order to ridicule Christians, but to ask what people thought of the notion of Jesus and Boxing. I have an attitude of gratitude for every precious second because I don't believe in an afterlife. All publicity is not good publicity, and a Boxer whose life does not reflect Christian values thanking Jesus for material blessings that their saviour rejected, whilst taking part in a violent sport that again runs so against the grain of their faith, that they have to pray that God protects their adversary before attacking him, would seem hypocritical even to a lot of Christians.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Whilst I don't believe God has favourite boxers or actively assists one fighter in beating up another I don't see the problem in someone having an attitude of grattitude for any blessings that happen to them in this life.

I also don't see anything threatening in it but I guess for an atheist who has accepted he is nothing and his life meaningless, an alternative world view where believers see themselves as valuable and loved would need to be ridiculed and rejected else the atheist might think he has got a raw deal.

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Being an atheist is the alternative world view. People were not even comfortable revealing that they were atheists until the 18th century but that is really beside the point. Atheists are not threatened by a boxer thanking Jesus post fight any more than they are troubled by your ridiculous assertion that only a believers life has meaning. The thread was not posted in order to ridicule Christians, but to ask what people thought of the notion of Jesus and Boxing. I have an attitude of gratitude for every precious second because I don't believe in an afterlife. All publicity is not good publicity, and a Boxer whose life does not reflect Christian values thanking Jesus for material blessings that their saviour rejected, whilst taking part in a violent sport that again runs so against the grain of their faith, that they have to pray that God protects their adversary before attacking him, would seem hypocritical even to a lot of Christians.

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Great post and good thoughts considering the mislead Christians of today..

In the days of Yeshua : to turn the other cheek ment to tempt the Roman soldier into the double slap which means he just announced he would fight you as an equal not as your owner to a slave.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Whilst I don't believe God has favourite boxers or actively assists one fighter in beating up another I don't see the problem in someone having an attitude of grattitude for any blessings that happen to them in this life.

I also don't see anything threatening in it but I guess for an atheist who has accepted he is nothing and his life meaningless, an alternative world view where believers see themselves as valuable and loved would need to be ridiculed and rejected else the atheist might think he has got a raw deal.

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Being an atheist is the alternative world view. People were not even comfortable revealing that they were atheists until the 18th century but that is really beside the point. Atheists are not threatened by a boxer thanking Jesus post fight any more than they are troubled by your ridiculous assertion that only a believers life has meaning. The thread was not posted in order to ridicule Christians, but to ask what people thought of the notion of Jesus and Boxing. I have an attitude of gratitude for every precious second because I don't believe in an afterlife. All publicity is not good publicity, and a Boxer whose life does not reflect Christian values thanking Jesus for material blessings that their saviour rejected, whilst taking part in a violent sport that again runs so against the grain of their faith, that they have to pray that God protects their adversary before attacking him, would seem hypocritical even to a lot of Christians.

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I am interested to know how your life has real meaning beyond some arbitrary value that you assign to it. You are merely a replicating biological organism whose (actually whose is wrong as it presume real personhood and soul which of course you deny) sole purpose is to survive long enough to mate and perpetuate the species. What value does your life have exactly?

I'm not looking for an argument or trying to sound hostile, on the contrary I am genuinely interested as to how you find purpose and meaning in an empty, materialist universe devoid of spirit, justice and a plan. If we are all just part of a cosmic accident and will cease to exist a few decades after birth what lasting, real meaning can you possibly have?

Does a rock has meaning to its existance? As it will outlive you by thousands (or hundreds of.millions.in your timeline) of years, then logically it must have more meaning than yours?

Bilbo this is not a meaning of life thread. This is a thread in BOXING TALK about Jesus and BOXING. I am quite happy to engage with you in another more appropriate area should you wish to exercise your Christian empathy in ascertaining how atheists lives are more meaningful than inanimate objects like rocks.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Bilbo this is not a meaning of life thread. This is a thread in BOXING TALK about Jesus and BOXING. I am quite happy to engage with you in another more appropriate area should you wish to exercise your Christian empathy in ascertaining how atheists lives are more meaningful than inanimate objects like rocks.

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Fair enough. Create a thread if you Wish explaining how your life has more value than a rock. I would argue no, seeing as ultimately you are merely an evolved rock according to your own belief system, and one which exists for maybe 0.0000001% as long as a nice bit of granite.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Being an atheist is the alternative world view. People were not even comfortable revealing that they were atheists until the 18th century but that is really beside the point. Atheists are not threatened by a boxer thanking Jesus post fight any more than they are troubled by your ridiculous assertion that only a believers life has meaning. The thread was not posted in order to ridicule Christians, but to ask what people thought of the notion of Jesus and Boxing. I have an attitude of gratitude for every precious second because I don't believe in an afterlife. All publicity is not good publicity, and a Boxer whose life does not reflect Christian values thanking Jesus for material blessings that their saviour rejected, whilst taking part in a violent sport that again runs so against the grain of their faith, that they have to pray that God protects their adversary before attacking him, would seem hypocritical even to a lot of Christians.

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Although it just seems like "showtime" the little post fight "thank you jesus" doesn't bother me. What irks me is guys like Byrd, Holyfield, et al, who would sometimes for example, be singing and dancing on the way to the ring, with their favorite gospel music blaring. That's just promoting/selling christianity and/or whoring yourself out for jesus, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with boxing.