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Hurt him so bad he got wobbled and held on.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
:rolleyes: .....sure, he really hurt him, hurt him sooo bad Haye still lost the round :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Haye lost the fight no doubt, hands down.
But, your statement was that Wlad has not been hurt or rocked since Sam Peter. And that is simply not true my amigo.
I personally think the Chisora performance doesn't really affect how he would match up with these guys. I think he was injured evident that hes out for six months and he might not have had the best night. However even with the injury he made the fight competative IMO, he would handle Chisora in the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I think he would lose to the Klits, they are too good for anyone. But he would make it a good fight, hes got good size and that helps against those guys.
Thompson I think would be a good fight, both have a similar build and are ready to get involved. Thompson can punch but so can Helenius, I think Thompson is getting older now and he might lose by stoppage in a close fight. It would be good whilst it lasts though.
I think Mitchell looks like he is going to be a decent heavyweight, I was very impressed with his last fight he really does look like he has power and would be a threat to any heavyweight around. Helenius has the size advantage over him though but Mitchell has a big frame. I think it would be a close fight, not too sure about this one. It could go either way IMO.
I think Chagaev would get beat by Helenius, I think he would beat him by a wide points margin or maybe a late stoppage. Helenius would control the fight against him IMO and I dont think Chagaev stopping Helenius either.
I think Povetkin and Adameck are good boxers for heavyweights and they would both be able to test Helenius. I think they would be able to score points against Helenius and make it a close fight. Id say Povetkin has a better chance though, Adameck would make it a good fight too. I wouldn't mind seeing these two fight Helenius one day.
I think Holyfield and Arreloa would get picked apart for a late stoppage, I dont think they would have the speed to trouble Helenius like Povetkin and Adameck could. They might have some luck rushing and getting inside on Helenius. But I think he would control them with the jab and when he lands that right hand he would slow them down. I would say Helenius has a good chance beating these two.
I dont know about Boystov, Ive not seen enough of him and I want to see him against better opposition before making a judgement.
I think Haye might get frustrated with Helenius size, But Helenius isnt as good as a boxer as Wlad. That would allow Haye to get inside IMO and land some leather. I think this would be a good fight though. I dont see Helenius stopping Haye, but I think Haye would maybe take it on points. I think Helenius would be trouble with Hayes speed as long as he doesnt have a sore toe.
I probably would agree with a lot of that. Not sure abou chesora losing though. He is a very on and off fighter. If he is fit I would give Chesora a good chance of winning again (even though he lost on the score cards). Chesora has these weird punches that come from nowhere. He seems to be quite good up close and for a tall guy like Helanius that causes problems. Not saying he will win next time but it is a heavyweight fight that needs to happen again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonI personally think the Chisora performance doesn't really affect how he would match up with these guys. I think he was injured evident that hes out for six months and he might not have had the best night. However even with the injury he made the fight competative IMO, he would handle Chisora in the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I think he would lose to the Klits, they are too good for anyone. But he would make it a good fight, hes got good size and that helps against those guys.
Thompson I think would be a good fight, both have a similar build and are ready to get involved. Thompson can punch but so can Helenius, I think Thompson is getting older now and he might lose by stoppage in a close fight. It would be good whilst it lasts though.
I think Mitchell looks like he is going to be a decent heavyweight, I was very impressed with his last fight he really does look like he has power and would be a threat to any heavyweight around. Helenius has the size advantage over him though but Mitchell has a big frame. I think it would be a close fight, not too sure about this one. It could go either way IMO.
I think Chagaev would get beat by Helenius, I think he would beat him by a wide points margin or maybe a late stoppage. Helenius would control the fight against him IMO and I dont think Chagaev stopping Helenius either.
I think Povetkin and Adameck are good boxers for heavyweights and they would both be able to test Helenius. I think they would be able to score points against Helenius and make it a close fight. Id say Povetkin has a better chance though, Adameck would make it a good fight too. I wouldn't mind seeing these two fight Helenius one day.
I think Holyfield and Arreloa would get picked apart for a late stoppage, I dont think they would have the speed to trouble Helenius like Povetkin and Adameck could. They might have some luck rushing and getting inside on Helenius. But I think he would control them with the jab and when he lands that right hand he would slow them down. I would say Helenius has a good chance beating these two.
I dont know about Boystov, Ive not seen enough of him and I want to see him against better opposition before making a judgement.
I think Haye might get frustrated with Helenius size, But Helenius isnt as good as a boxer as Wlad. That would allow Haye to get inside IMO and land some leather. I think this would be a good fight though. I dont see Helenius stopping Haye, but I think Haye would maybe take it on points. I think Helenius would be trouble with Hayes speed as long as he doesnt have a sore toe.
I dont think Povetkin would beat Helanius. Plus he wont have a chance when my man Hook demolishes him in there next fight.
If chesora comes in fit and keeps on the inside with Vitali i think he could make the fight mildly competitive. NOT SAYING HE HAS A CHANCE OF WINNING BUT HE MAY MAKE IT MORE INTERESTING THAN OTHER KLIT FIGHTS. If he is not fit when he turns up for the fight then we are in for another one sided punching bag session. Just hope Vitali will finish him when it comes to it and not play with his food for another five rounds.
I think Chisora is being overratted I dont think he has the firepower to make any mark against a decent heavyweight. I do believe Helenius was injured and this was the reason for his poor performance. We will see if they fight again. Chisora isnt as good as Adameck IMO, going off performances against better opposition and Vitali crushed Adameck. I believe the same will happen to Chisora. Hes not big enough and he was so tired against Helenius, imagine if he was like that against Vitali...he would get put to sleep!Quote:
Originally Posted by LeightonI probably would agree with a lot of that. Not sure abou chesora losing though. He is a very on and off fighter. If he is fit I would give Chesora a good chance of winning again (even though he lost on the score cards). Chesora has these weird punches that come from nowhere. He seems to be quite good up close and for a tall guy like Helanius that causes problems. Not saying he will win next time but it is a heavyweight fight that needs to happen again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonI personally think the Chisora performance doesn't really affect how he would match up with these guys. I think he was injured evident that hes out for six months and he might not have had the best night. However even with the injury he made the fight competative IMO, he would handle Chisora in the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I think he would lose to the Klits, they are too good for anyone. But he would make it a good fight, hes got good size and that helps against those guys.
Thompson I think would be a good fight, both have a similar build and are ready to get involved. Thompson can punch but so can Helenius, I think Thompson is getting older now and he might lose by stoppage in a close fight. It would be good whilst it lasts though.
I think Mitchell looks like he is going to be a decent heavyweight, I was very impressed with his last fight he really does look like he has power and would be a threat to any heavyweight around. Helenius has the size advantage over him though but Mitchell has a big frame. I think it would be a close fight, not too sure about this one. It could go either way IMO.
I think Chagaev would get beat by Helenius, I think he would beat him by a wide points margin or maybe a late stoppage. Helenius would control the fight against him IMO and I dont think Chagaev stopping Helenius either.
I think Povetkin and Adameck are good boxers for heavyweights and they would both be able to test Helenius. I think they would be able to score points against Helenius and make it a close fight. Id say Povetkin has a better chance though, Adameck would make it a good fight too. I wouldn't mind seeing these two fight Helenius one day.
I think Holyfield and Arreloa would get picked apart for a late stoppage, I dont think they would have the speed to trouble Helenius like Povetkin and Adameck could. They might have some luck rushing and getting inside on Helenius. But I think he would control them with the jab and when he lands that right hand he would slow them down. I would say Helenius has a good chance beating these two.
I dont know about Boystov, Ive not seen enough of him and I want to see him against better opposition before making a judgement.
I think Haye might get frustrated with Helenius size, But Helenius isnt as good as a boxer as Wlad. That would allow Haye to get inside IMO and land some leather. I think this would be a good fight though. I dont see Helenius stopping Haye, but I think Haye would maybe take it on points. I think Helenius would be trouble with Hayes speed as long as he doesnt have a sore toe.
I dont think Povetkin would beat Helanius. Plus he wont have a chance when my man Hook demolishes him in there next fight.
If chesora comes in fit and keeps on the inside with Vitali i think he could make the fight mildly competitive. NOT SAYING HE HAS A CHANCE OF WINNING BUT HE MAY MAKE IT MORE INTERESTING THAN OTHER KLIT FIGHTS. If he is not fit when he turns up for the fight then we are in for another one sided punching bag session. Just hope Vitali will finish him when it comes to it and not play with his food for another five rounds.
Neither Wlad nor Vitali would have trouble with Chisora. I think Helenius is the one that's overrated! Helenius has been feeding off of fighters very close to retirement recently, Brewster and Sam Peter for example. Helenius has always seemed slow, immobile, and robotic to me and his power is vastly overrated.
on the discussion about the helenius chisora result, i thought both men were battling, rounds were close but chisora was winning them
12-0 to chisora would have been a closer reflection of the fight than what the judges had it