Re: So Pacquiao in a spot of bother..states he "disagrees" with same sex marriage..
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I see nothing wrong with that, he was merely voicing his stance on the issue. I share his views on the matter, but not basing it on religion like he does. Unless he goes out of his way to directly prevent a gay couple from being married, why should anyone be offended? Aren't the gay community demanding others to be more tolerant on their views? Why can't they practice what they preach when it comes to this issue? He was asked a question and he answered it truthfully unlike most politicians nowadays who'd just jump on the popular social/religious/political view bandwagons despite believing otherwise merely to attract more voters (I'm looking at you Obama). He didn't come of as inciting hatred nor did he preach or sound condescending.
Tolerance means accepting the rights of consensual homosexual adults who demand the same treatment by law as heterosexual couples. Pac's statement was based upon hate, there is no other reason to discriminate against homosexuals. People make laws for other people. There is no such thing as God's law which Pac seemingly refers to. The fictional God was a vengeful and hateful type and thus man made words accredited to him should be ignored.
Gay's have every right to be disappointed with Manny Pac and likewise anyone who thinks in such a philistine manner.
Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance. Why would you need to tolerate something you already approve of? It means the practice of permitting something that a person disapproves of and being fair and objective about it. So far, Pac in his stance/statements has been exactly that. As far as I know he never discriminated a person based on his sexual preference nor prevented and denied gay people from marrying each other. He even has a number of gay people employed in his businesses and I never heard him say offensive homophobic words like f*ggot (I'm looking at you... oh never mind).
So what you are implying is that anyone who disapproves gay marriage should be lambasted and vilified by the gay community and their supporters? I don't approve of it, but I don't hate gays for being who they are. I never held grudges nor condemned them to eternal damnation for marrying each other. You need to disassociate the words disapproval with hatred as they don't always go hand in hand with each other. I have a number of gay friends and in all honesty never gave an arse of what they do with each other as long as they keep it to themselves. If I tell them I am against them marrying each other, and knowing these people, I know they would take no offense to my personal beliefs as long as I keep it that way, personal.
I believe that anyone in the gay community has every right to be angry at Manny for what he said. Of course so. Our words and beliefs are what shape us and in expressing such sentiments Manny has shown himself to be prejudiced against a minority group. It is like saying that blacks shouldn't be allowed to marry whites or rich people marry poor people. People above a certain age should be free to marry whomever they like as long as it is consensual. It is blatant discrimination to be against gay marriage. Any open minded person should be for gay marriage and a book like the Bible is irrelevant to the argument. Society constructs laws, not religion.
People should get called out when they fuck up. It's happened to me in the past and Manny seems to be doing it now. Thus he is getting called out. The only way for Manny to redeem himself is to sleep with Buboy in a future 24/7.
Youve gotta admit though. It would be great to be totally religous. knowing that when you die your gonna go to a place of pure bliss. Im not religous unfortunately. Might get me one of those. I was gonna go buddhist but cant eat meat. Muslim has too many rules. Christian but read the bible and that god guy scares the shit out of me. You would have to be really narrow minded to be mormon but I do like there stance on marrage. In the end the only one I could see myself doing is Jedi. I already have a toy lightsaber and im pretty sure that i made a pencil role with my mind the other day.
Re: So Pacquiao in a spot of bother..states he "disagrees" with same sex marriage..
Another unpleasant side effect of going full Muslim is there's a chance you could one day be "volunteered" to blow up some infidels along with your poor sorry arse. I remember an episode in Family Guy where Osama and his fellow nutters were ripping one of their volunteers who called in sick for the day he was supposed meet his 40 virgins in paradise. Quality stuff, Family Guy.
Re: So Pacquiao in a spot of bother..states he "disagrees" with same sex marriage..
Do we really care what a boxer thinks about this? Seriously? Lets talk about boxing here.
Re: So Pacquiao in a spot of bother..states he "disagrees" with same sex marriage..
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Do we really care what a boxer thinks about this? Seriously? Lets talk about boxing here.
As a former forum gay, I feel I need to defend these issues. It should be Bilbo's job as the reigning gay, but he ran away and seeing as he would likely defend Pacquiao, I should put forth my 2012 campaign in uncompromising terms.
Re: So Pacquiao in a spot of bother..states he "disagrees" with same sex marriage..
He has the right to his own opinion and that's it.
I know he is a catholic and would be considered quite a religious person, what I can not understand is other people of the same religion or similar ones who consider the Bible to be the word of god and it says something like 'Man shall not lie with Man' yet they agree with same sex marriage its completely contradictory.
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I believe anyone that takes a man written book as the word of God to be fundamentally opposed to the notion of contradiction.
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Re: So Pacquiao in a spot of bother..states he "disagrees" with same sex marriage..
I don't even understand why people has to be married legally if not for religion. The issue here is religion. It's on the Bible, or whatever book they had. Why would they agree to a couple of living homosexuals re-write a millennium of belief or atleast bend the rules just to make them happy? If you are gay, go ahead that shouldn't be a problem nowadays. But what the heck, you can't be mad at someone who choose to believe he's right because his religion say so. Someone here nailed it, like religion, homosexuality is an option. Why not start a gay religion with all the beliefs you have and go marry each other or anything you like and hope that after a century or so half of the world belongs to that religion. I'm sure there will be politicians on that 'gay religion' can pass a law that allows you to marry your gay bride or gay broom.
Fucking simple. Majority of the people in the world is either Christian or Muslim or Buddhist. And these politicians who made the law (which is a document too - yeah a Book that everyone follows but is changeable unlike the bible!), belongs to those religion where gay marriage is not allowed. It's just not about changing a law, it's about changing the 'book' which is impossible. The long term solution, start forming that gay religion and hope the millions of gay around the world joins it and have a bunch go run for a Senate position or become a President. When the religion is gay, and politicians are gay, even boxers are gay, almost everyone is born gay due to religion..it won't be that hard to make gay marriage legal.
Sometimes, tolerance is just bad. Like a chronic disease it goes worse. When the public started accepting gays, they demanded to be married. Whereas in places where it is still considered taboo, it is not even issue. Right now fucking and 'falling in love' with your relatives is taboo. But if some influential personality dares to change the world and we start to think it's cool and we start tolerating it, you bet them practitioners will ask for more like - I want to marry my grandfather! And when you disagree with them because your religion says it's wrong they will crucify you!
Re: So Pacquiao in a spot of bother..states he "disagrees" with same sex marriage..
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:rolleyes:. Everyone knows Manny is a devout christian, which is a lifestyle choice just like being gay or being married. Whatever your opinion about that it in itself may be his views are merely in line with his faith and nothing to be up in arms about. Denouncing gay marriage isn't even close to discriminatory from a religious standpoint, which like it or not is still a lot more accepted than being gay most anywhere let alone in America. This really isn't anything to be discussing so heatedly.
Agree with you 100%.
Re: So Pacquiao in a spot of bother..states he "disagrees" with same sex marriage..
You have a good point there, and that would be my issue with this all as well if I cared enough to take it seriously. Taking a stance on gay marriage is not as cut and dry as stating whether one endorses religious beliefs to begin with, it must be taken into account that marriage is historically a religious institution. Once you exhibit a bit of tolerance towards peoples beliefs just as you should their sexuality, it's not so black and white.
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Religion is based upon absolutely nothing and that's why it bothers me to hear failed Christians like Manny waffle on about gay marriage being against God's law. God doesn't even exist so where do these rules come from? A man written book from ages ago? What gives the Bible any precedent in how our societies are governed and ruled?
It irritates me to hear Christians spouting their tosh because it is fundamentally absurd and is a hindrance to understanding and progress. They deny science and they deny reason. I am glad to see people getting annoyed with Manny.
His views should be seen as archaic and of a world that needs to be washed away.
It isn't like Manny is out preaching that gay marriage is wrong. He was asked a question and responded to the question based on his views. He has his beliefs and the belief that he expressed here is in agreement with his religion.
Re: So Pacquiao in a spot of bother..states he "disagrees" with same sex marriage..
Was he asked his views on this or did he just come out and say it? If someone asked him then I don't see the problem with voicing his opinion. Gandalf said gays have right to be angry that pacquiao thinks that way. No they don't. They have zero rights when it comes to how a person thinks, unless being part of the thought police is now everyones natural right.
I disagree with what pacquiao said - does he now have a right to be angry with me? Its ridiculous.
