Re: Andre Berto test positive for steriods...WTF!!!
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captainanddew
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arcanum26
Time for Khan vs Ortiz? Let Berto and Peterson sit it out.
Ortiz isn't fighting Berto now.
Kahn is not going to fight Ortiz.
1-Timing-Khan stopped training and was taking a short break. He'd have to start training again ASAP.
Also Roach is preoccupied with training Pac now, then has Chavez Jr. in mid June. No time to get Kahn ready for Ortiz by June 23rd. Kahn's team looking for a July date.
2-Weight-Khan was training for his body to get down to 140. I'd assume he doesn't do alot of strength work to make sure he can make 140. If Khan is going to move to 147-he will have a camp where he is looking to add a few pounds of muscle onto his frame.
3-Opponent-Khan isn't going to move to 147 and look to take on the biggest motherfucker in the division in his first fight. Ortiz weighed 164 pounds when he walked into the ring against Floyd. And Ortiz isn't just a big welter, he is pretty good.
Khan probably moves up to 147 soon. But he isn't going to seek out a challenge like Ortiz in his first fight. His team probably goes for a relatively safe, but lower top 10 ranked guy (espn or other unbiased rankings).
Not to mention that they are good friends any probably wont fight.
Re: Andre Berto test positive for steriods...WTF!!!
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Onix
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Hulk
If this is true then it certainly is bad news on the heels of Lamont Peterson being caught for using synthetic testosterone.
Boxing isn't alone in this though as MMA is filled with it as well. One of my favorite fighters, Overeem just got caught for testosterone levels that were through the roof !
Ortiz should go through with the fight on the condition that he is allowed one flagrant head butt with no penalty. And also that he is allowed to kiss Berto a minimum of 3 times afterwards.
while this is true, MMA fights have cards that a stacked usually with 5 good fights in different weight classes with fighters you want to see fighting each other. Boxing gives us one good fight and a bunch of fillers most of the time and if that big fight gets cancelled usually the whole card is dumped.
Yes that is very true. And MMA (UFC) can get a replacement fast, such as in the case of Mir stepping in for Overeem since all fighters are under the same umbrella and often fighting on the same stacked card.
When a high profile fighter is out of a high profile fight there are rarely any viable substantial replacements.
Upset me quite a bit last summer when Guerrero hurt himself training and had to pull out of the Maidana matchup in San Jose. I had bought tickets to that event and would have gotten to see that fight and Seth Mitchell vs. Mike Mollo LIVE. It would have kicked ass...:eek:
Re: Andre Berto test positive for steriods...WTF!!!
Wow, any word on which tests he failed, or what the steroid was? It is probably merely a coincidence that this happened right after Peterson was caught surely, it wasn't the same organization? On a side note, anyone who still disagrees with Floyds stance on the tests is clueless as to how rampant this stuff is. Any clean fighter with the kind of pull he has would be silly not demand full testing for every fight.
Re: Andre Berto test positive for steriods...WTF!!!
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p4pking
Wow, any word on which tests he failed, or what the steroid was? It is probably merely a coincidence that this happened right after Peterson was caught surely, it wasn't the same organization? On a side note, anyone who still disagrees with Floyds stance on the tests is clueless as to how rampant this stuff is. Any clean fighter with the kind of pull he has would be silly not demand full testing for every fight.
Same organization as far as I know, VADA. Also, it was detected in his urine. Nandrolone was the one that did Berto in. From what I've been reading, and if Berto did ingest the drug, he should rightfully be thumped in the head.
From wiki -- "The positive effects of the drug include muscle growth, appetite stimulation and increased red blood cell production and bone density"
Re: Andre Berto test positive for steriods...WTF!!!
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p4pking
Wow, any word on which tests he failed, or what the steroid was? It is probably merely a coincidence that this happened right after Peterson was caught surely, it wasn't the same organization? On a side note, anyone who still disagrees with Floyds stance on the tests is clueless as to how rampant this stuff is. Any clean fighter with the kind of pull he has would be silly not demand full testing for every fight.
urine! peterson and now berto....al haymon.....hmmm....floyd...interesting...
Re: Andre Berto test positive for steriods...WTF!!!
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mugabi
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p4pking
Wow, any word on which tests he failed, or what the steroid was? It is probably merely a coincidence that this happened right after Peterson was caught surely, it wasn't the same organization? On a side note, anyone who still disagrees with Floyds stance on the tests is clueless as to how rampant this stuff is. Any clean fighter with the kind of pull he has would be silly not demand full testing for every fight.
urine! peterson and now berto....al haymon.....hmmm....floyd...interesting...
Not really. Floyd already had taken numerous random tests for illegal substance and came off clean. So no, not interesting.
Re: Andre Berto test positive for steriods...WTF!!!
When Pacquiao refused Mayweather's drug tests, there were many posters who denounced Pacquiao as a cheater, without a scintilla of evidence that he used a banned substance. His refusal of drug tests alone made him a cheater. Here, we have two boxers that were actually caught with banned substances in their bodies, and those same people deny any meaningful wrongdoing and act apologist. "We should let Peterson and Berto prove their cases first before we jump to conclusions," they warn.
If Pacquiao were caught with synthetic testosterone in his system, and it came out that naturally he had lower-than-average levels of testosterone, would his situation be viewed as Peterson's? If Pacquiao tested positive for nandrolene, and denied steroid use, alleging that it must be a result of contaminated supplements, would he be accorded the same latitude as Berto?
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Pac has bob arum. The others dont!
Bob has his corrupt hand in everyones pockets! Margarcheato still gets massive paydays and hes the biggest cheater this side of 2000.
How did this thread turn into a Bob Arum thread? It's about Andre Berto, an Al Haymon fighter.
Re: Andre Berto test positive for steriods...WTF!!!
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Rantcatrat
When Pacquiao refused Mayweather's drug tests, there were many posters who denounced Pacquiao as a cheater, without a scintilla of evidence that he used a banned substance. His refusal of drug tests alone made him a cheater. Here, we have two boxers that were actually caught with banned substances in their bodies, and those same people deny any meaningful wrongdoing and act apologist. "We should let Peterson and Berto prove their cases first before we jump to conclusions," they warn.
If Pacquiao were caught with synthetic testosterone in his system, and it came out that naturally he had lower-than-average levels of testosterone, would his situation be viewed as Peterson's? If Pacquiao tested positive for nandrolene, and denied steroid use, alleging that it must be a result of contaminated supplements, would he be accorded the same latitude as Berto?
No, everybody has a right to a defence - Including Pacquiao if he was caught taking anything. Although to be fair, his refusal to take the tests and then to test positive would be looked at more unfavourably by the public than the people who were pushing for it and then got caught in my opinion.
An interesting thing to note as well is that Nandrolone is one of the worst peds to take if you are being tested - It has an 18 month clearance time and anyone with any limited knowledge of PED's would know this. So it always baffles me when idiots are caught with Nandrolone. Same stuff Toney and Roy Jones were caught for.
So it could very well be that Berto is clean as a whistle right now and has been for over a year..but if he took Nandrolone within the last 18 months, these tests can detect the metabolites still in his body. Very foolish.
That's why it stands to reason that Berto thought he was absolutely fine volunteering for these tests. He's probably been clean for a while but didn't bank on nandrolone having such a long clearance time.
Re: Andre Berto test positive for steriods...WTF!!!
Not sure why these latest discoveries should be shocking? Anybody who actually believes that anyone was going to get caught with a few exceptions by scheduled tests is naive to put it nicely. Random testing is not even a guarantee with all the designer Peds around and continuing to be made.
Re: Andre Berto test positive for steriods...WTF!!!
Berto may be clean
Quote:Sources have informed me that analysis of Berto's positive tests results for nandrosterone (a metabolic byproduct of nandrolone) revealed "ultra-trace amounts of Nandrolone in the low parts per trillion range and consistent with contamination not intent."
In other words, the amount in his system is so minute [very little] that it is highly unlikely that he intentionally ingested nandrolone but was rather contaminated by food or a supplement.
This is excellent news for Team Berto, essentially backing up the theory explained in my article "Andre Berto Tests Positive for The Molecule of the Month: Nandrolone."
Re: Andre Berto test positive for steriods...WTF!!!
Victor Conte's setbacks with Andre Berto, Marlon Byrd may hurt quest for redemption after BALCO scandal - News | FOX Sports on MSN
I'm wondering just how long the bulk of Conte's clients are going to stick around and how many of his fighters are using. Isn't Donaire a client?
Re: Andre Berto test positive for steriods...WTF!!!
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Galaxy
Sources have informed me that analysis of Berto's positive tests results for nandrosterone (a metabolic byproduct of nandrolone) revealed "ultra-trace amounts of Nandrolone in the low parts per trillion range and consistent with contamination not intent."
In other words, the amount in his system is so minute [very little] that it is highly unlikely that he intentionally ingested nandrolone but was rather contaminated by food or a supplement.
Or he was simply cycling off and fucked up.
