Re: Kelly Pavlik's return
I thought he looked better. Fresher and tighter cleaner punching than his previous go. He does get touched alot though, almost comfortable with it in order to get his in, though Rosinsky couldn't break wind. His left to body was working well. His skin looks to be scuffing up more, cut. I've never been a fan but I'm glad he has his head glued on and seemingly clear. He sounds like he'll never be satisfied unless he recaptures former glory. Almost too eager to jump right in from the shallow to the deep end. Has to be expected I spose but he really only has one more shot and better allow the rebuild, of body and mind. Garcia and company can only add on to what'a already there really. Pavlik is a finished product and will eventually revert and get into a shoot out. I don't see him hanging with a Froch.
Re: Kelly Pavlik's return
I thought he looked terrible. He hasn't got the pop at 168 that he had at 160, he's slower around the ring than he used to be if that's possible and I've seen statues with better head movement. He'll get a payday or two as an opponent for guys like Froch/Ward/Kessler etc. at 168 because he's a recognised name in boxing but that's as far as he'll go. He's just going to get battered by any elite 168 guy.
Re: Kelly Pavlik's return
Kelly will never be as good as he was, in fact he is nowhere near as good as he was,
his head is fucked and he is still dealing with his problems, he will get destroyed against
Froch, Kessler ,Ward. He should really knuckle down or retire.
Re: Kelly Pavlik's return
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Kirkland Laing
I thought he looked terrible. He hasn't got the pop at 168 that he had at 160, he's slower around the ring than he used to be if that's possible and I've seen statues with better head movement. He'll get a payday or two as an opponent for guys like Froch/Ward/Kessler etc. at 168 because he's a recognised name in boxing but that's as far as he'll go. He's just going to get battered by any elite 168 guy.
He never had head movement, nor did he move well. It's not as if he was suddenly going to become fleet of foot or acquire head movement because he moved up in weight. If you expected those things, you were leading yourself up to disappointment. His qualities have always been his punching power and his aggression. I have yet to see his punching power translate at 168. It's not like he has no power at all, but not that thudding power he had at middleweight. He still has effective aggression. He has developed a left hook to compliment an arsenal that otherwise only included a jab and a straight right hand. I still say a fight with Froch would be fun. However, Froch's awkward angles would win him the fight. He might wear Bute's down, as much as I'm a fan of Bute. Kessler would be interesting. He needs to stay away from movers and boxers.
Re: Kelly Pavlik's return
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roberto duran legend
Kelly will never be as good as he was, in fact he is nowhere near as good as he was,
his head is fucked and he is still dealing with his problems, he will get destroyed against
Froch, Kessler ,Ward. He should really knuckle down or retire.
NO!....not before I see him get his ass thoroughly stomped!
Re: Kelly Pavlik's return
Come on guys Pavlik looked alright. Not bad at all.
Rosinsky was a very live opponent minus the punching power and Pavlik handled him fairly well.
I like Pavlik's chances against Abraham, Bute and Kessler. We are all very big on Froch right now but he does love to mix it up and Pavlik could land a big one on him who knows.
Re: Kelly Pavlik's return
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beenKOed
Pavlik hasn't been the same boxer since Hopkins beat the wampus out of him. I blame that on his handler, who was predicting a KO of Hopkins. Taking that fight was a capital error. I can't think of Pavlik or Hopkins without thinking of that fight. God, what a mistake!
Wampus: starch, fire, heart, heat or desire.
Hell I think had Jermain Taylor been in top form vs Kelly in the first fight he would have outboxed him and I think Taylor won the rematch even.
Kelly Pavlik is one dimensional, he's slow, and he tries to bully his opponents. I hope he runs into a bigger, younger, hungrier fighter and gets dropped on his ass.
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Rantcatrat
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Kirkland Laing
I thought he looked terrible. He hasn't got the pop at 168 that he had at 160, he's slower around the ring than he used to be if that's possible and I've seen statues with better head movement. He'll get a payday or two as an opponent for guys like Froch/Ward/Kessler etc. at 168 because he's a recognised name in boxing but that's as far as he'll go. He's just going to get battered by any elite 168 guy.
He never had head movement, nor did he move well. It's not as if he was suddenly going to become fleet of foot or acquire head movement because he moved up in weight. If you expected those things, you were leading yourself up to disappointment. His qualities have always been his punching power and his aggression. I have yet to see his punching power translate at 168. It's not like he has no power at all, but not that thudding power he had at middleweight. He still has effective aggression. He has developed a left hook to compliment an arsenal that otherwise only included a jab and a straight right hand. I still say a fight with Froch would be fun. However, Froch's awkward angles would win him the fight. He might wear Bute's down, as much as I'm a fan of Bute. Kessler would be interesting. He needs to stay away from movers and boxers.
I'm not saying I expected him to get better, I'm saying he's worse. Add the higher weight class and he's nowhere near winning a belt at 168.
Re: Kelly Pavlik's return
I hope Pavlik does well in his career and am glad to see him back. On wards and upwards and here is hoping he takes on Froch. That would be a war.
Re: Kelly Pavlik's return
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beenKOed
I have a lot of respect for ElKabong and his opinions, honestly, but if he thinks Taylor was less than ready for the first Taylor vs Pavlik fight, he wasn't fully awake. I remember Pavlik getting up off the floor and winning by KO. As for their second fight, arguing about a decision is like arguing with a two year old, you can't win. Pavlik was exciting to watch at first, maybe all those
tattoos have slowed him down some!
You do !?!? :o;D
I kid I kid
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Hulk
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beenKOed
I have a lot of respect for ElKabong and his opinions, honestly, but if he thinks Taylor was less than ready for the first Taylor vs Pavlik fight, he wasn't fully awake. I remember Pavlik getting up off the floor and winning by KO. As for their second fight, arguing about a decision is like arguing with a two year old, you can't win. Pavlik was exciting to watch at first, maybe all those
tattoos have slowed him down some!
You do !?!? :o;D
I kid I kid
;D The first Pavlik Taylor fight was great fun, and I agree Jermain was clearly prepared going in. That second round was the closest Taylor has ever come to stopping a live opponent, but in hindsight it's no surprise at all that he punched himself out in the process. Still, a lot of refs would have waved that one off, and noone could've complained about it. I actually may have scored the rematch for Taylor as well honestly, but he knew that he couldn't afford to take the same chances and only fought in short spurts. He was so much better to watch than Pavlik when he threw punches, it's a shame he didn't have a better engine.
Re: Kelly Pavlik's return
If I remember right Pavlik won the second fight, Taylor was coming strong but Pavlik landed a hard body shot and the fight went from Taylor and he went in survival mode aiming to make it to the decision.
