Re: A Tale of Two Sons of Great Fighters
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
With all due respect, Chavez will come out ahead. They are moving him along well. I don't think that either will become a great fighter, and neither will face a great fighter. Martinez is not great, he is ok. Arce is not great, he is fun to watch. Donaire has not shown me much except for a poorly thrown left hook against a guy that was way overrated. Neither junior will be as good as his father, and Chavez sr was miles beyond Vasquez senior.
If you're referring to Fernando Montiel, it's news to me that he was "way overrated". Curious habit we have here..... a fighter has an unexpected, atrocious loss like Montiel did against Nonito, and he's suddenly overrated. Never mind that Nonito himself was being mentioned as a p4p candidate after his destruction of Montiel. But oh well.
Also, this isn't about the dads...... it's about the sons. The fact remains: Vazquez is barely into his 20th fight as a pro. He's taken a lot more chances in his career than Chavez had at the same stage. Is there something basically incorrect about that? Chavez is only NOW taking on some risks..... after 40+ frigging fights as a pro. If no one else sees anything wrong with that..... I do. And finally... I disagree about your second to last statement. Chavez will never get close to his dad's greatness.
But Vazquez has a good chance to eclipse Vazquez Sr., who was a good fighter in his own right.
You gotta be fucking kidding me. He's not even close. Off the top of my head Sr. beat Orlando Canizales, Eloy Rojas and I believe Raul Perez. Jr has beaten who? Marvin Sonsona? Zsolt Bedak? Sonsona turned out be nothing but a pussy. And Bedak was barely mediocre. You actually downgrade Sr. career by saying Jr. has a chance to match it.
Let me tell you something. And you can take this anyway you want. Rafael Marquez is without a doubt on the decline. He's been on the decline for awhile. Not only that but he's also fighting above his best weight. With that said, he should have enough to beat Vazquez. Vazquez needs a win badly here. Vazquez has been in with some big names. But he has yet to beat any of the big names. He loses to Marquez than he might as well call it a career.
Re: A Tale of Two Sons of Great Fighters
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
With all due respect, Chavez will come out ahead. They are moving him along well. I don't think that either will become a great fighter, and neither will face a great fighter. Martinez is not great, he is ok. Arce is not great, he is fun to watch. Donaire has not shown me much except for a poorly thrown left hook against a guy that was way overrated. Neither junior will be as good as his father, and Chavez sr was miles beyond Vasquez senior.
If you're referring to Fernando Montiel, it's news to me that he was "way overrated". Curious habit we have here..... a fighter has an unexpected, atrocious loss like Montiel did against Nonito, and he's suddenly overrated. Never mind that Nonito himself was being mentioned as a p4p candidate after his destruction of Montiel. But oh well.
Also, this isn't about the dads...... it's about the sons. The fact remains: Vazquez is barely into his 20th fight as a pro. He's taken a lot more chances in his career than Chavez had at the same stage. Is there something basically incorrect about that? Chavez is only NOW taking on some risks..... after 40+ frigging fights as a pro. If no one else sees anything wrong with that..... I do. And finally... I disagree about your second to last statement. Chavez will never get close to his dad's greatness.
But Vazquez has a good chance to eclipse Vazquez Sr., who was a good fighter in his own right.
You gotta be fucking kidding me. He's not even close. Off the top of my head Sr. beat Orlando Canizales, Eloy Rojas and I believe Raul Perez. Jr has beaten who? Marvin Sonsona? Zsolt Bedak? Sonsona turned out be nothing but a pussy. And Bedak was barely mediocre. You actually downgrade Sr. career by saying Jr. has a chance to match it.
Let me tell you something. And you can take this anyway you want. Rafael Marquez is without a doubt on the decline. He's been on the decline for awhile. Not only that but he's also fighting above his best weight. With that said, he should have enough to beat Vazquez. Vazquez needs a win badly here. Vazquez has been in with some big names. But he has yet to beat any of the big names. He loses to Marquez than he might as well call it a career.
Wilfredo Jr is only 28, so it's still too early to tell how the rest of his career will go. My point is that he's already taken on some big names. Yes, he lost to both Arce and Donaire... but at this point in his pro career has faced an exponentially better list of opponents than Chavez Jr had at this same point. Whether he'll match Wilfredo Sr's record is unsure and maybe dubious, but again... it's too early to tell. And yes, he needs this victory over Marquez. I think he can pull it off. The kid has wonderful talent... he's got all the tools. Let's see what happens vs Marquez, and where Wilfredo Jr goes from here.
