Froch: I want to shut Pavliks mouth in Nottingham

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

I like Froch and would love to see him fight Pavlik.
But..... why the qualifier? (in Nottingham)

Just say you want to shut his mouth wherever.

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Because as a proud British fighter and the title holder he is probably sick to the back teeth of Americans thinking their homeland is the mecca of Boxing and that any title fight that means anything should be held there.

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Errr..they think it because it is :rolleyes:

Pavlik should come to Nottingham to get his arse handed to him in this case - just not to satisfy your patriotism.

The more rational reason is because he's the legit number 2 in the division and Kelly Pavlik hasn't done anything since Martinez. If we get the Pavlik of old, he could give us some exciting moments on his way to being K.O'd by Carl..

Hearn has said that Kessler is demanding a fortune for the rematch so obviously negotiations have been delayed.

Would be good for us UK fans to see one our best fighters fight a big american name on UK soil, doesn't happen very often.

Even if Froch were to beat Pavlik and Kessler I don't see Ward coming over here for a rematch. He is the daddy in the division and gets to dictate where the fight happens. That is fair. To be honest I don't think Froch would have a problem going back to America for the rematch he would just be grateful for a chance at redemption.

Pavlik won't be an easy fight though.

At super middleweight, Pavlik just has not performed as effectively as he did as a middleweight. It's because his power hasn't translated at 168. Froch is a career super middleweight with a decent chin. Froch's also been in with better competition his last few fights. Not a good recipe for Pavlik. The only thing in Pavlik's favor is that he looked better against a common opponent in Jermain Taylor. If I'm Pavlik's people, I would negotiate with Bute, Froch and Kessler's people right now for the best deal. Does everyone agree that for a stay-busy type opponent, he's the best option out there?

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

At super middleweight, Pavlik just has not performed as effectively as he did as a middleweight. It's because his power hasn't translated at 168. Froch is a career super middleweight with a decent chin. Froch's also been in with better competition his last few fights. Not a good recipe for Pavlik. The only thing in Pavlik's favor is that he looked better against a common opponent in Jermain Taylor. If I'm Pavlik's people, I would negotiate with Bute, Froch and Kessler's people right now for the best deal. Does everyone agree that for a stay-busy type opponent, he's the best option out there?

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I agree with what you are saying, But maybe Pavlik feels he is ready for a Carl Froch fight, with him slating his performances why doesnt Pavlik step up to Nottingham and fight the champion? If Pavlik thinks he can be the man at 168 he should go and fight Froch and bring the belt back home? Pavlik thinks hes ready...now here is the opportunity.

Pavlik probably isn't going to get any better than he currently is. He's knows it too so he's looking at getting the biggest possible paydays out of what's left of his name. So what options has he got? Froch and Ward, who else? Nobody else who sells tickets and/or makes lots of TV money. And he knows he's got no chance against Ward and his best chance of getting back to big money is somehow beating Froch in a war. So that's why he's after a Froch fight.

I hope this fight does happen. Froch can be dragged into a brawl and Pavlik can bang. I think Froch has his number all day long but you never know with a big puncher like Pavlik. He was getting destroyed against Taylor first time around and then his power turned it for him. Good matchup IMO.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

I hope this fight does happen. Froch can be dragged into a brawl and Pavlik can bang. I think Froch has his number all day long but you never know with a big puncher like Pavlik. He was getting destroyed against Taylor first time around and then his power turned it for him. Good matchup IMO.

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He can't bang at 168. Doesn't look like it so far anyway. Donaire did and interview recently blaming his leg cramps* on warming up for over an hour before he got into the ring and he warmed up for so long because he was told Pavlik would flatten his opponent in a couple of rounds. So Top Rank were expecting Pavlik to blow the guy away and he didn't. I don't think he's stopped anyone at 168 and can't remember him even coming close to it. I don't think he has the same power at 168 anyway.

*actually a well-known side-effect of A-side meth.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

I hope this fight does happen. Froch can be dragged into a brawl and Pavlik can bang. I think Froch has his number all day long but you never know with a big puncher like Pavlik. He was getting destroyed against Taylor first time around and then his power turned it for him. Good matchup IMO.

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Froch got rocked in the early going of his fight against Taylor too and it took him 12 rounds to figure Taylor out. It only took Pavlik 6-7.

Pavlik versus Froch would be an entertaining fight. It doesn't hurt that they don't like each other.