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The higher weight divisions have less jumps after the weigh ins, a lot of the fighters are at their fight weights a few days before and stay there.
The whole boiling down to weight has to stop, the sad thing is it wouldn't and fighters would just boil down on the day instead.
If same days were to be the norm how many guys wouldn't have to bother with re hydrating massivly but simply go up a division and train accordingly? Trinket grabbing certainly cannot help. It would be a massive shake up. It wouldn't happen overnight but surely the safety concerns would lessen likewise, at least as far as re hydrating etc. The safety of a fighter is paramount but there has to be accountability or consequence for a guy packing on 20lbs 'unofficially' facing an opponent that maintains much closer to weight legitimately and 'division' initially agreed to. Who's looking out for their saftey and the 'everyone does it so you can do it to' unwritten rule really doesn't float. I'm waiting for Buffer to start announcing "weighed in last night at but tonight he weighs... ;D This isn't a Chavez thing for me and as Missy reminds its certainly nothing new. But it 'tis false advertising I believe.
And that's not since forever? LMFAO I wasnt even born till the late 80s. This has been in place for so long.. It's like saying well before boxing went on unlimited rounds till the other boxer was KOed. Rules came into place for a reason. Like youngblood stated.. It would be dangerous to not let a boxer re hydrate themselves. A boxer starving himself till the fight date seems idiotic to me. ... In that case let's bring back 15 rounds and let Chavez knock the fuck out of Martinez... :P ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
Just a note - Same day weigh-ins were not removed until the 1980s.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
Another pet peeve of mine. I mean why have 17 divisions. If you cant fight at a certain weight then don't fight at it. This is particularly disturbing when a challenger somehow makes the champion drop in weight to defend his title.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Basically, it is this. Your brain is encased in fluid. This serves many purposes, but most important to this discussion is that of a shock absorber; to lessen the force with which your brain slams into your cranium. Which to anyone who boxers, tends to happen. A lot.
It isn't just that it weakens your entire system with a lack of water(but it does), it is moreso that the area around your brain also gets drained and the distance to impact increases. So the force increases..
Here is an article for those interested: Brain damage risk from dehydration | Sports Injury Bulletin
So while it is an understandable assumption to think same day weigh ins will force everyone to change how they do things, where trainers, promoters and yes fighters themselves wouldn't try to use that sort of risk as an edge....I ask you. In this sport? Really?
I favour them, the closer they are to the weight and title they are fighting for the better. They should check that both fighters are healthy and make the weight with ease by checking every few weeks and then they will be healthy.
Mate - I agree. You didn't read my other posts. I was just making a side note about when they went out.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenAnd that's not since forever? LMFAO I wasnt even born till the late 80s. This has been in place for so long.. It's like saying well before boxing went on unlimited rounds till the other boxer was KOed. Rules came into place for a reason. Like youngblood stated.. It would be dangerous to not let a boxer re hydrate themselves. A boxer starving himself till the fight date seems idiotic to me. ... In that case let's bring back 15 rounds and let Chavez knock the fuck out of Martinez... :P ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanJust a note - Same day weigh-ins were not removed until the 1980s.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
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Originally Posted by Master
This is precisely the point. Why do fighters necessarily need to arrive at the weigh-in dehydrated and borderline sick? If "same day" weigh-ins were implemented... additional controls would also be needed to ensure that weight losses by fighters to get to the weight were done naturally and gradually, not coming in like a starving child poster and then rehydrating back to 20 pounds over the weigh-in weight. This current practice makes weigh-ins almost meaningless, 'cause the fighters are not the same size in the ring, which is not the intent.
Same day weigh in at Midday !
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Originally Posted by outspoken
So should I take that as a "No" vote?
Same day weigh ins for me!! Makes it fair for the smaller framed guys.
No, I don't see the point. If Chavez wants to starve then let him, if another wants to keep in trim and not balloon then he can do that too.
The system is what it is and you act in response to it.
You will always have your Mayorga's, Hatton's and Chavez Jnr's who will balloon, but you have to expect it and act accordingly. If you don't like the weight then move to another one.
We all know what the system is and it is no surprise.
My bad, I thought you said it sarcastically :-X .. my apologies. Seems like most people here are split about this issue. Surprisingly the poll is unanimous for same day.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanMate - I agree. You didn't read my other posts. I was just making a side note about when they went out.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenAnd that's not since forever? LMFAO I wasnt even born till the late 80s. This has been in place for so long.. It's like saying well before boxing went on unlimited rounds till the other boxer was KOed. Rules came into place for a reason. Like youngblood stated.. It would be dangerous to not let a boxer re hydrate themselves. A boxer starving himself till the fight date seems idiotic to me. ... In that case let's bring back 15 rounds and let Chavez knock the fuck out of Martinez... :P ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanJust a note - Same day weigh-ins were not removed until the 1980s.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
Okay to the people in favor of this rule riddle me this. We have seen countless of times a fighter barely missing weight like half a pound such examples Mosley vs Canelo. Then they give them an hour or two to go lose that and then they come back and weigh them. How can a fighter do that on FIGHT NIGHT and still be able to go and perform at 100 percent. We will see a lot more fighters be stripped of the belts because they did not lose it or bother re hydrating back. Not to mention taking mental focus into account this is done before fight night so the fighter is 100 percent focus on his task not the press or cameras till that night. A fighter can literally just relax that day till he shows up at the arena. It baffles me that EVERY fighter has the ability to do this (gain weight on fight night) and you guys still have a problem with it. Next thing you guys will want to do restrictions on height.
The system is flawed in that it favours the bigger framed man who wants to take advantage of the smaller opponents. If Junior had to compete against super middles and even light heavies, he would be just a journeyman.