So Jr Chavez has tested positive for...

Just saw this on the scroller of ESPN.

Terrible terrible news. I don't think it was for steroids, it was mums on what it was, but Bob Arum has said it was marijuana. Details are sketchy but apparently that's what it was.

Anyway, he could be suspended for a year and possibly revoke his license and take up to 3M of his purse.

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Just saw this on the scroller of ESPN.

Terrible terrible news. I don't think it was for steroids, it was mums on what it was, but Bob Arum has said it was marijuana. Details are sketchy but apparently that's what it was.

Anyway, he could be suspended for a year and possibly revoke his license and take up to 3M of his purse.

Thoughts?

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that's ridiculous, he's getting the same punishment for weed that Margarito got for using loaded gloves, yea that seems fair :/

It's going to make Martinez angry. That's the rematch down the pan. After his suspension it's unlikely JCC ever sees 160 again. What a tit.

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

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Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

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Roach is old and clearly getting very sick. He has likely now made good money and needs to take his rest. Associating with the like of Chavez Jnr is just sad. His impact in the Pac camp is now just marginal too.

I don't see any other reason other than the money now.

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Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

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You can't blame the guy, he's got Parkinson's. He's going to spend the rest of his life paying increasing amounts of dough for medical care so he needs to make as much as he can while he can. Chavez may be a tit but made three million basic for the Martinez fight plus a chunk of the PPV which grossed around thirty million. So that's maybe a six million dollar purse and Freddie gets 10% of it. Who else that he could train is going to make him that kind of money?


Also, too. There are all the test results for steroids/masking agents/diuretics still to come. Anybody think he tests positive for anything else? We should have a sweepstake.

Good. You all exist within societies, you pay when caught. He was caught.

'Oooh only weed', weed is foul.

Ok, so I saw it myself on SportsCenter this morning. The Nevada Athletic Commission could fine Junior up to his $3M purse, suspend him for a year, and even revoke his license. I only have one question:



Have they not met Jose Sulaiman and his cartel?



To think Sulaiman is going to sit idly by and watch the NAC fine and suspend his godson, is to not have a grasp on reality.

Ok, so I saw it myself on SportsCenter this morning. The Nevada Athletic Commission could fine Junior up to his $3M purse, suspend him for a year, and even revoke his license. I only have one question:


Have they not met Jose Sulaiman and his cartel?





To think Sulaiman is going to sit idly by and watch the NAC fine and suspend his godson, is to not have a grasp on reality.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Ok, so I saw it myself on SportsCenter this morning. The Nevada Athletic Commission could fine Junior up to his $3M purse, suspend him for a year, and even revoke his license. I only have one question:



Have they not met Jose Sulaiman and his cartel?



To think Sulaiman is going to sit idly by and watch the NAC fine and suspend his godson, is to not have a grasp on reality.

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The purse is lodged with the NSAC before the fight. I'm guessing they'll fine the fuck out of Junior but release enough of it so that at least his team all get paid. Junior will probably get a big chunk too and probably all the PPV money he's due. The WBC get their sanctioning fee paid separately, can't see how they're going to tell Nevada what to do.

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Ok, so I saw it myself on SportsCenter this morning. The Nevada Athletic Commission could fine Junior up to his $3M purse, suspend him for a year, and even revoke his license. I only have one question:



Have they not met Jose Sulaiman and his cartel?



To think Sulaiman is going to sit idly by and watch the NAC fine and suspend his godson, is to not have a grasp on reality.

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The purse is lodged with the NSAC before the fight. I'm guessing they'll fine the fuck out of Junior but release enough of it so that at least his team all get paid. Junior will probably get a big chunk too and probably all the PPV money he's due. The WBC get their sanctioning fee paid separately, can't see how they're going to tell Nevada what to do.

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I know you're right.... I just couldn't resist taking another shot at Sulaiman, who I despise more than any person in sports. The thought of the NAC meting out punishment to Junior, and having Sulaiman sitting helplessly on the sidelines should be enough give the old man an ulcer. I'm getting misty-eyed just thinking about it.

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Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

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Sorry but NO...

It's not Freddy. I've been around the Wild Card Gym for close to 10 yrs and it's not him.
What you see on TV vs. What really happens can be 2 different worlds apart.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

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Sorry but NO...

It's not Freddy. I've been around the Wild Card Gym for close to 10 yrs and it's not him.
What you see on TV vs. What really happens can be 2 different worlds apart.

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Freddie Roach is a boxing trainer, not a babysitter.
Enough said.

While I don't like Chavez, weed is a waste of a suspension. It doesn't enhance any performance.

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While I don't like Chavez, weed is a waste of a suspension. It doesn't enhance any performance.

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Probably does the opposite and helped Sergio. :)