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Originally Posted by Master
He had massive legs which is rare as normally they should be like sticks and the top half built like Evander.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
What would you consider to be naz other great wins before the barrera fight?
Luisito Espinosa vs Naseem Hamed after he dismantled Kennedy McKinney, would of been great i think Espinosa is one of the few guys around that time that could of beat The Prince.
Most of his title fights were against good to goodish opposition, he had quite an impressive title reign.Quote:
Originally Posted by impTrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe had massive legs which is rare as normally they should be like sticks and the top half built like Evander.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
What would you consider to be naz other great wins before the barrera fight?
Wilfredo Vasquez
Tom Johnson
Kevin Kelley
Manuel Medina
Steve Robinson
Wayne McCullough
Cesar Soto
That's not a bad list of opponents.
If you watch interviews and build up going into the Barrera fight, Hamed said several times he was in the best shape of his life. Both Steward and Suarez didn't think Barrera would see 12, Hamed was so ready. So all them bullshit excuses about Hamed not training are just that. Bullshit excuses. The reason Hamed lost to Barrera was cuz Barrera was the better fighter. It's that simple. And it was always the case. They could of rematched 10 times. And Hamed would of lost 10 times. Barrera went into the Hamed fight having already been in 55 fights. It wasn't even a prime Barrera that beat Hamed's ass. A prime Barrera finishes Hamed inside 5
Physically he wasn't at his best, but technically he did improve as a fighter. He was a bit like B-Hop where he improved with age, if you look at MAB in the 1st Junior Jones fight his defence was shocking and that MAB would of been KO'ed by Hamed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
You can see in the rematch with Junior Jones he started to box more, but he wasn't quite at the level he was vs Hamed. I think the Junior Jones fight helped MAB alot, it showed he wasn't unbeatable and that he had to improve his boxing skills and defence to stay at the top.
I don't think there was a rematch because of the reactions he was getting from the crowds after the 9/11 attacks. he was getting things thrown at him when he did return for the 1 fight before retiring.
I was a huge Naz fan but I don't think he was beating MAB maybe 2/3 times out of 10.
Lets keep this real. If prime Barrera fought prime Naz 10 times, the most realistic outcome is....
Barrera wins 2 times by close points decision. Naz wins 2 times by TKO
And Naz wins 6 times by devastating sparked unconcious KO.
I don't see how any serious boxing fan could argue with that. Fact.
This documentary should be shown to all up and coming fighters as a warning to what happens when you swallow too much of your own hype.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL7JNQg5eU0
This picture should be shown to everybody as a warning as to what happens when you swallow too many pies.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...16_468x921.jpg
I would like to know if the is any british fighters past or present you rate at all ?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Naz was great for boxing in a promotional sense, i believe people got carried away with his theatrics and over rated his ability as a fighter beyond belief.The moment he got in the ring with a bonafide A list fighter in Barrera he was belted all over the place. He had skills, he had some ability and he got away with a lot in the ring against fighters that were not elite level. I actually wanted him to win and then fight Morales too, but Barerra toyed with him in this fight. Morales and Marquez would've done the same.
He was just 27 when he fought Barerra, he had a lot of ring experience, he knew this was his chance at world wide superstardom and he blew it in the ring, i'm not buying any of this crap that he wasn't prepared or didn't train hard enough, if this is true then he is guilty of being a complete idiot! Why no rematch? A true champion comes back from defeat and goes onto greater glories, instead this was a case of the Prince who turned back into a toad!
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
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Well... I don't know about any of this "theoretical rematch" nonsense... since it never did happen.
But I do know this: Hamed could eat TWICE as much as Barrera could right now.
Fact.
Barrera is my second favourite fighter ever (behind JMM) but this is just silly. Naz didn't train for this fight properly. I still think MAB would have won but please don't be silly and say Naz was in the shape of his life. Naz lost it when he left Ingle and started with that ridiculous two mile wide stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Of course. I'm a massive fan of British fighters. Silly questionQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanI would like to know if the is any british fighters past or present you rate at all ?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Yeah of course.You love em all. But come on, Naz didn't train for MAB properly and you know it. I still would back MAB to win and I love the guy but be real. Even if Naz did train he was getting beat because once he left the Ingles he couldn't handle a second wave attack because his feet were so wide - he was static. A fighter like MAB would always get to him. But be real, Naz was not in the shape of his life for that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseOf course. I'm a massive fan of British fighters. Silly questionQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanI would like to know if the is any british fighters past or present you rate at all ?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by ryanmanYeah of course.You love em all. But come on, Naz didn't train for MAB properly and you know it. I still would back MAB to win and I love the guy but be real. Even if Naz did train he was getting beat because once he left the Ingles he couldn't handle a second wave attack because his feet were so wide - he was static. A fighter like MAB would always get to him. But be real, Naz was not in the shape of his life for that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseOf course. I'm a massive fan of British fighters. Silly questionQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanI would like to know if the is any british fighters past or present you rate at all ?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Drunk and yet not one typo on this post. Did the subject of Hamed suddenly make you sober?
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