Manny is about to have another GOOD fight with marquez.
GOOD meaning its so close you cant split the two.
Im glad floyd does not have any good fights..after the 2nd-3rd round is out the way in floyds fights its a pure boxing clinic.
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Manny is about to have another GOOD fight with marquez.
GOOD meaning its so close you cant split the two.
Im glad floyd does not have any good fights..after the 2nd-3rd round is out the way in floyds fights its a pure boxing clinic.
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"I'm not racist but..." springs to mind.
& Yes I do agree mayweather is a league above but what my point was to be considered great I think he needs another defining fight at the least - Thats not denying he should be ranked higher than hat ton, cotto etc!! Id actually put mayweather close to or perhaps even depending on his final fights (or above again depending but currently below slightly!) De la hoya about the same in terms of greatness! One league below srl
For fucks sake, would you Brits give Mayweather the goddamn Hatton fight?
They fought at 147. Big deal. So what are you saying? If they fought at 140, Floyd would be drained from the weight cut and wouldn't have been as effective?
They fought at a weight that was comfortable for both, that was agreed upon by both, and Hatton got his ass kicked.
Not Ricky who was going through drug problems, or Ricky who was uprooted and switching trainers. We're talking about 43-0 Ricky Hatton. Prime Hatton in top shape, with the trainer who brought him to championship level.
You all said his pressure style and body punching would give Floyd fits, so don't try to discredit Floyd for that fight.
Fucking hell....chill winston!
Brits admit that Mayweather bashed up Hatton, can't really be denied can it.
Doesn't change the fact that the Ref was absolutely fucking shit and wanted to warn Hatton for even throwing punches.
Regardless of the ref, Hatton in all probability would have lost. He lost concentration and was unable to adapt.
I wouldn't say that it's widespread british opinion on here that hatton was fucked over to the point it cost him the win so don't really know why you are acting sensitive.
British boxers have the best fans and we support them like nothing else, deal with it :p
Hatton did give Mayweather fits at times, I've watched he fight a million times and he had Mayweather flustered. End result, Mayweather stepped up a gear and was a class above. That fight was still a great fight for him to have, going into it the hype of the unbeaten records was massive.
If Mayweather fights Alvarez and Pac next, I don't think anyone can doubt his credentials, even the biggest haters.
We do give him the Hatton fight. Floyd is extremely popular over here and I think that fight has alot to do with it. If I was Floyd I'd be pissed at Joe Cortez for giving Ricky the excuse. Truth be told, the outcome wouldn't have been different but Joe Cortez made an uphill battle worse and thus made the fight less intriguing. Mayweather doesn't need help, but that idiot gave him some anyway.Quote:
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An unbeaten hatton was always dangerous at any weight..floyd fought the best hatton that day.
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I wasn't having a dig - just comparing two resumes of two fighters who fought the sameish guys in recent times. - The other idiot tried to make it about race :rolleyes:Quote:
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"I'm not racist but..." springs to mind.
& Yes I do agree mayweather is a league above but what my point was to be considered great I think he needs another defining fight at the least - Thats not denying he should be ranked higher than hat ton, cotto etc!! Id actually put mayweather close to or perhaps even depending on his final fights (or above again depending but currently below slightly!) De la hoya about the same in terms of greatness! One league below srl
But of course the devil is in the detail in terms of how each guy won, who they fought prior (did they get bashed up in their last fight(s) those I think are things that go round and round for discussion
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I should have clarified that it's only some Brits, as I have seen a LOT of Brits who have no trouble giving a guy his due when he whips a British fighter. And it's not only the Brits who use this excuse (Mayweather haters come in all nationalities because he is a prick).
But the "Ricky isn't effective at 147" argument was, and continues to be, absolutely retarded.
As is a lot of the Floyd bashing. People love to be revisionist historians when it comes to Floyd's accomplishments. The fact is though, excluding the JMM fight (because JMM was so much smaller), Floyd has fought nothing but solid fights since the Baldomir fiasco.
In Oscar, he was fighting a legend who was a much bigger guy with serious speed and punching power. Leading up to that fight, people were torn on the outcome. I don't remember anyone saying "why is Floyd fighting DLH, this is a stupid fight."
Ricky Hatton, same deal. People raved for years how Floyd would never fight Hatton, how his body punching, pressure style would give Floyd fits. This was a serious fight where Ricky was given MORE than a healthy chance to beat Floyd's ass.
Shane Mosley had just reinvigorated his career with a complete virtuoso performance against Margarito and became the man at 147. There were more than a few people picking Mosley to win. They said Floyd had never fought someone as fast as Mosley, and his speed and power would give Floyd fits. This was a serious fight.
Victor Ortiz. Again, Ortiz has reinvigorated himself with his big win over Berto and thrust himself to the top of the 147 heap. He had put the Maidana debacle behind him with a nice string of dominant performances.
Cotto - I'll be the first to say that this fight happened YEARS too late and Cotto had definitely lost a lot of luster after the Pacquiao whipping, but it was still a legimitate fight.
For people to come on and say that Floyd hasn't been fighting anyone, or has been taking easy fights, that's just rediculous.
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"I'm not racist but..." springs to mind.
& Yes I do agree mayweather is a league above but what my point was to be considered great I think he needs another defining fight at the least - Thats not denying he should be ranked higher than hat ton, cotto etc!! Id actually put mayweather close to or perhaps even depending on his final fights (or above again depending but currently below slightly!) De la hoya about the same in terms of greatness! One league below srl
I was implying that the OP stating that the thread wasn't a thread about hating Mayweather, and concluding it by saying he hates Mayweather and wants to see him knocked out is like a Daily Mail letter that begins by saying "I'm not racist, but..." and then proceeds to make a bizarre racist statement that completely contradicts his opening gambit.
I'll give the irony a rest from here on in lest I get banned or misunderstood by the humourless.
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I should have clarified that it's only some Brits, as I have seen a LOT of Brits who have no trouble giving a guy his due when he whips a British fighter. And it's not only the Brits who use this excuse (Mayweather haters come in all nationalities because he is a prick).
But the "Ricky isn't effective at 147" argument was, and continues to be, absolutely retarded.
As is a lot of the Floyd bashing. People love to be revisionist historians when it comes to Floyd's accomplishments. The fact is though, excluding the JMM fight (because JMM was so much smaller), Floyd has fought nothing but solid fights since the Baldomir fiasco.
In Oscar, he was fighting a legend who was a much bigger guy with serious speed and punching power. Leading up to that fight, people were torn on the outcome. I don't remember anyone saying "why is Floyd fighting DLH, this is a stupid fight."
Ricky Hatton, same deal. People raved for years how Floyd would never fight Hatton, how his body punching, pressure style would give Floyd fits. This was a serious fight where Ricky was given MORE than a healthy chance to beat Floyd's ass.
Shane Mosley had just reinvigorated his career with a complete virtuoso performance against Margarito and became the man at 147. There were more than a few people picking Mosley to win. They said Floyd had never fought someone as fast as Mosley, and his speed and power would give Floyd fits. This was a serious fight.
Victor Ortiz. Again, Ortiz has reinvigorated himself with his big win over Berto and thrust himself to the top of the 147 heap. He had put the Maidana debacle behind him with a nice string of dominant performances.
Cotto - I'll be the first to say that this fight happened YEARS too late and Cotto had definitely lost a lot of luster after the Pacquiao whipping, but it was still a legimitate fight.
For people to come on and say that Floyd hasn't been fighting anyone, or has been taking easy fights, that's just rediculous.
I'm not saying you are wrong, Floyd does have a lot of haters especially from people who choose to support Pac OR Mayweather. I am a big fan of both and would pick Mayweather to win.
I don't want to spend ages picking your post apart, everyone is entitled to their own opinions but I want to say a few things. I don't have a problem with people saying that Hatton was ineffective at 147 as that is true, Collazo showed that. That does mean that Hatton may have performed better at 140 if the match could have been made there but that was never going to happen, Mayweather calls the shots and Hatton accepted so no one can use it as an excuse you are right, but as I said Hatton was a different fighter at 140 it's a fact but he would most likely have still lost.
I thought Hattons style would have been a nightmare for Mayweather but Mayweather has shown time and again he can deal with different styles. Hatton was not great that night but so what....
I thought Ortiz would cause more problems but was an idiot and wasted the opportunit of a lifetime, he will look back when he is an old man and think 'what the fuck was i doing?!'
DLH I also thought had a chance but he's had close decisions go his way before.
If Mayweather can go on to beat, Pac, Alvarez and one other top quality fighter, I make him G.O.A.T :)