Re: If Vitali keeps talking about trains, maybe someone should put him under one.
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I don't really know why Chisora was fighting the best in the division in the first place. He wouldn't beat any of the top HW's. Vitali is right in that regard. Who cares about David Haye? If he cannot stay active and be a boxer then there is no place for him.
And we shouldn't talk of legacy, Vitali has a very good career behind him. Haye is nothing in the great scheme of things really and his HW record is horrible.
Haye will godown as a world class and in my book 1 of the best ever cruisers. Vitali goes does as a good chin who fought nothing but pricks.
I agree with Haye and Booth,Vitali needs this fight to just full stop his career.
Like it or not Haye is one of the best HWs in the world, I put him second behind Wlad.
I was trying to keep an open mind until I got to here.
i find it hard that anyone with an objective point of view wouldnt have haye as one of the best HWs in the world
Make a list of who beats him.
Areola? Thompson? Povetkin?
I think Wlads about it. I honestly believe Haye would beat VK.
yep i would say beats those three, the vitali who fought chis id say haye would beat also
i would be happy to listen to people who believe he wouldnt beat those fighters, he is at least top 10, more like top 6, arguably top 3
that makes him one of the best HWs in the world
unfortunately it is looking unlikely he will fight again and we will probably never find out
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Whilst I agree Vitali has struggled recently, Vitali would beat Haye because he would raise his performance as he did with Adamek and Sam Peter. Pride would not allow him to lose to the smirking Haye.
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Perhaps he's waiting for Stiverne-Arreola to finally happen? Or to see if Tyson Fury deserves a shot? However you look at it David Haye doesn't deserve another chance, he stunk it up one time he'll do it again. Remember how much shit he talked vs Wlad? He's just doing the same to goad Vitali into a fight, Haye won't even try to win and will go retire for a while....again. Before making another run at Wlad.
Re: If Vitali keeps talking about trains, maybe someone should put him under one.
Haye needs to shut his trap. As a heavyweight he has been plastic. For all his 2 years of chatter, wearing T-shirts showing Wlad beheaded, telling anybody who would listen that he was what the division needs only to show up at fight time like a scared poodle. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. He's a freakin charlatan who has obviously been waiting on Vitali to lose a few steps which he has to once again present himself as something he's not. Rematch Wlad Sir Nutless.
Re: If Vitali keeps talking about trains, maybe someone should put him under one.
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Haye needs to shut his trap. As a heavyweight he has been plastic. For all his 2 years of chatter, wearing T-shirts showing Wlad beheaded, telling anybody who would listen that he was what the division needs only to show up at fight time like a scared poodle. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. He's a freakin charlatan who has obviously been waiting on Vitali to lose a few steps which he has to once again present himself as something he's not. Rematch Wlad Sir Nutless.
I told ya, I told everyone....David Haye will talk a blue streak, if there was a heavyweight champion of talking shit it would be David Haye, but when it comes to boxing he's all hat & no cattle trying to be a cowboy.
Re: If Vitali keeps talking about trains, maybe someone should put him under one.
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I don't really know why Chisora was fighting the best in the division in the first place. He wouldn't beat any of the top HW's. Vitali is right in that regard. Who cares about David Haye? If he cannot stay active and be a boxer then there is no place for him.
And we shouldn't talk of legacy, Vitali has a very good career behind him. Haye is nothing in the great scheme of things really and his HW record is horrible.
Haye will godown as a world class and in my book 1 of the best ever cruisers. Vitali goes does as a good chin who fought nothing but pricks.
I agree with Haye and Booth,Vitali needs this fight to just full stop his career.
Like it or not Haye is one of the best HWs in the world, I put him second behind Wlad.
I was trying to keep an open mind until I got to here.
i find it hard that anyone with an objective point of view wouldnt have haye as one of the best HWs in the world
Make a list of who beats him.
Areola? Thompson? Povetkin?
I think Wlads about it. I honestly believe Haye would beat VK.
We'll never know, will we. ;)
Because "His Hayeness" refuses to fight anyone but a Klitschko.
He feels he doesn't have to prove himself against any other legitimate heavyweight.
But because he stunk it up so bad in his first and only shot at a Klit.... logic would dictate that his bargaining power is not where he thinks it's at.
Pay your dues.... and THEN run off at the mouth about only wanting a Klitschko.
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seems like haye has been given a couple of chances to fight vitali and he has said no... I'm iwth vitali on this one this guy is far too dificult to negotiate with to make it worthwhile... he's already got beaten by wladimir, haye is no longer the scalp he once was... it's just not a great win anymore for vitali and if he carrys on with his historic difficultness in negotiating so why bother... vitali tried already..
although i do agree if he is to stay on he should take on a good guy, arreola stiverne winner would be deserving in my opinion...
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Say what you all want about the Haye vs Wlad fight, but Haye did nothing but fight the same way Wlad does against everyone else.
2 outside fighters fighting does not make good TV.
Haye took Wlads top shot and survived,he didn't fire a great deal back but still Haye vs Vitali is the biggest fight right now and you all know it.
If you don't you know shit about current boxing affairs.
Also you say Haye should "shut his trap" yet you all probably want that fight.
Re: If Vitali keeps talking about trains, maybe someone should put him under one.
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i find it hard that anyone with an objective point of view wouldnt have haye as one of the best HWs in the world
I have him as one of the top heavyweights in the world. It's tough for me to rank him though because I haven't seen him against anyone in the top ten, other than Chisora, who I didn't rank very highly, and Wladimir, who beat him in practically every round.
Would he beat Arreola, Fury, Stiverne, Pulev, Scott, Boystov, Jennings etc.? Quite possibly, but it's impossible to know.
The main thing though is that it is irrelevant because we won't see Haye fight again unless it's against Vitali, which it looks like won't happen.
Re: If Vitali keeps talking about trains, maybe someone should put him under one.
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Haye needs to shut his trap. As a heavyweight he has been plastic. For all his 2 years of chatter, wearing T-shirts showing Wlad beheaded, telling anybody who would listen that he was what the division needs only to show up at fight time like a scared poodle. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. He's a freakin charlatan who has obviously been waiting on Vitali to lose a few steps which he has to once again present himself as something he's not. Rematch Wlad Sir Nutless.
I told ya, I told everyone....David Haye will talk a blue streak, if there was a heavyweight champion of talking shit it would be David Haye, but when it comes to boxing he's all hat & no cattle trying to be a cowboy.
What bothers me most is that I actually bought into his schtick. I actually believed he was going to shake up the division. He was and is a total let down at hev. When I think of the hours wasted supporting him and backing his play etc etc I wish I had a time machine.
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Re: If Vitali keeps talking about trains, maybe someone should put him under one.
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Gandalf
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I don't really know why Chisora was fighting the best in the division in the first place. He wouldn't beat any of the top HW's. Vitali is right in that regard. Who cares about David Haye? If he cannot stay active and be a boxer then there is no place for him.
And we shouldn't talk of legacy, Vitali has a very good career behind him. Haye is nothing in the great scheme of things really and his HW record is horrible.
Haye will godown as a world class and in my book 1 of the best ever cruisers. Vitali goes does as a good chin who fought nothing but pricks.
I agree with Haye and Booth,Vitali needs this fight to just full stop his career.
Like it or not Haye is one of the best HWs in the world, I put him second behind Wlad.
I see little to back that up, Chisora is no barometer of the divisions quality.
Haye is a lazy individual who doesn't fight anyone on any regular basis. He didn't deserve to fight for the title or even Wlad and now doesn't deserve Vitali. It is nonsense patriot Brit talk. Eric, you are doing the same thing above.
I see why you approach it as you do, but I see little credibility in any of it. Why all the fervour? Did Haye not fight Chisora in a fight that really didn't need to happen unless you were a patriotic Brit wanting their silly showdown. Haye simply saw another easy payday and got it.
Personally, I think Vitali slaps him around the ring, but not as much as I would like because we know how Haye fights. It's a tedious fight. Do you people forget the Valuev fight? And Haye is suddenly a threat to an old Vitali?
Utter poppycock.
If Haye didn't 'deserve' to fight K2 then what exactly had guys like Chisora, Charr or Solis done? ???
Haye could have done even less at heavy and he still wouldn't be too big a bum on paper for Vitali to fight him...
Re: If Vitali keeps talking about trains, maybe someone should put him under one.
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Gandalf
I don't really know why Chisora was fighting the best in the division in the first place. He wouldn't beat any of the top HW's. Vitali is right in that regard. Who cares about David Haye? If he cannot stay active and be a boxer then there is no place for him.
And we shouldn't talk of legacy, Vitali has a very good career behind him. Haye is nothing in the great scheme of things really and his HW record is horrible.
Haye will godown as a world class and in my book 1 of the best ever cruisers. Vitali goes does as a good chin who fought nothing but pricks.
I agree with Haye and Booth,Vitali needs this fight to just full stop his career.
Like it or not Haye is one of the best HWs in the world, I put him second behind Wlad.
I see little to back that up, Chisora is no barometer of the divisions quality.
Haye is a lazy individual who doesn't fight anyone on any regular basis. He didn't deserve to fight for the title or even Wlad and now doesn't deserve Vitali. It is nonsense patriot Brit talk. Eric, you are doing the same thing above.
I see why you approach it as you do, but I see little credibility in any of it. Why all the fervour? Did Haye not fight Chisora in a fight that really didn't need to happen unless you were a patriotic Brit wanting their silly showdown. Haye simply saw another easy payday and got it.
Personally, I think Vitali slaps him around the ring, but not as much as I would like because we know how Haye fights. It's a tedious fight. Do you people forget the Valuev fight? And Haye is suddenly a threat to an old Vitali?
Utter poppycock.
If Haye didn't 'deserve' to fight K2 then what exactly had guys like Chisora, Charr or Solis done? ???
Haye could have done even less at heavy and he still wouldn't be too big a bum on paper for Vitali to fight him...
I don't think it's a matter of comparing Haye to Chisora, Charr, or Solis. I think you need to compare Haye to the other prospects that are trying to work their way up the ladder. TBH, I'm also of the opinion that the Klitschko's could be doing a better job of choosing opponents, even among the riff-raff that currently calls itself the HW division. But Haye's insistence on fighting a Klitschko and nothing else, reeks of someone wanting to take a shortcut at the expense of other deserving fighters who've been standing in line for awhile.
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I don't think it's a matter of comparing Haye to Chisora, Charr, or Solis. I think you need to compare Haye to the other prospects that are trying to work their way up the ladder. TBH, I'm also of the opinion that the Klitschko's could be doing a better job of choosing opponents, even among the riff-raff that currently calls itself the HW division. But Haye's insistence on fighting a Klitschko and nothing else, reeks of someone wanting to take a shortcut at the expense of other deserving fighters who've been standing in line for awhile.
i havent seen anyone disagree with you on the fact that haye isnt deserving, other HWs have done more for a fight, thats as close to being a fact as you can get
what i think, and i believe this is why a haye klit fight is still so big news as it is, is that haye is one of the very few people who have the chance of beating a klit if not the only person with a realistic chance
yeah he was crap against wlad and he ran, but still has a better chance than anyone else, they could fight again 10 times and the same boring running shit could happen, on the 11th he could land that punch
provetkin (for example but i could pick just about any other HW) could fight wlad 100 times and it could well be a lot more interesting a fight every time but (barring injury) wlad would win all 100 pretty comfortably without any risk of defeat
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I don't think it's a matter of comparing Haye to Chisora, Charr, or Solis. I think you need to compare Haye to the other prospects that are trying to work their way up the ladder. TBH, I'm also of the opinion that the Klitschko's could be doing a better job of choosing opponents, even among the riff-raff that currently calls itself the HW division. But Haye's insistence on fighting a Klitschko and nothing else, reeks of someone wanting to take a shortcut at the expense of other deserving fighters who've been standing in line for awhile.
i havent seen anyone disagree with you on the fact that haye isnt deserving, other HWs have done more for a fight, thats as close to being a fact as you can get
what i think, and i believe this is why a haye klit fight is still so big news as it is, is that haye is one of the very few people who have the chance of beating a klit if not the only person with a realistic chance
yeah he was crap against wlad and he ran, but still has a better chance than anyone else, they could fight again 10 times and the same boring running shit could happen, on the 11th he could land that punch
provetkin (for example but i could pick just about any other HW) could fight wlad 100 times and it could well be a lot more interesting a fight every time but (barring injury) wlad would win all 100 pretty comfortably without any risk of defeat
So I think we pretty much all agree that Haye isn't deserving at this point, and just needs to fight other top contenders instead of holding out for another Klitschko fight. And I'd be hard pressed to argue about other HW's having more of a chance to beat Wlad than Haye. But not due to Haye's own showing, but rather the pathetic state of the division. Look at the stumble Price took on his way to Wlad. If 2-time Wlad reject Thompson was able to get Price out of there.... think of what Wlad would do to him. You take a gander at the heavyweight landscape, and it's mostly littered with inactive, unproven, oft-injured, bum-fighting, mediocre crap. But Haye, who promised to clean out the division years ago, still needs to fight through the top ranks of that garbage.
