Top 10 hardest heavyweights

In no particular order:

Sonny Liston
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano
Vitali Klitschko
James J Jeffries
Jem Mace
Tom Cribb

Some of those go back quite a long way!!!!

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In no particular order,

Ray Mercer (notice how we can say his last name alone, and we all know who he is even though he wasn't an elite champion of the era)

George Foreman (the batterings he took against Stewart and Holyfield in the second half of his career would have killed an elephant!)

Jack Dempsey

Ali (Ali carried too many of his fights when he could have very well ended them. Thus, he took more bruisings than most champs.)

Rocky Marciano (although not that high on my list because he fought a lot of over-the-hill guys and really never been in that many wars EXCEPT for against Jersey Joe.)

Tony TNT Tucker (that's right, and fuck y'all who don't think so too. He stood up against Tyson in his prime and Lewis at the latter part of his prime and took what he had coming to him- and finished all of those fights. You can't talk about tough SOB's without talking about Tony TNT Tucker)

Honourable mention: Frans Botha. (that's right, and fuck y'all with this one too if you don't think so. There is NO WAY Botha should have been in the ring fighting for championships and taking the champs at the time to the limit- he was beating the snot out of Moorer and Tyson before he got ko'd. Botha made it that far on pure grit.... ;D)

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Very diplomatic. I can tell you have a bright future around here...;D

Botha was/is tough, but he got crushed by Lennox Lewis. He sure hung tough in K-1 Kickboxing tho.

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In no particular order,

Ray Mercer (notice how we can say his last name alone, and we all know who he is even though he wasn't an elite champion of the era)

George Foreman (the batterings he took against Stewart and Holyfield in the second half of his career would have killed an elephant!)

Jack Dempsey

Ali (Ali carried too many of his fights when he could have very well ended them. Thus, he took more bruisings than most champs.)

Rocky Marciano (although not that high on my list because he fought a lot of over-the-hill guys and really never been in that many wars EXCEPT for against Jersey Joe.)

Tony TNT Tucker (that's right, and fuck y'all who don't think so too. He stood up against Tyson in his prime and Lewis at the latter part of his prime and took what he had coming to him- and finished all of those fights. You can't talk about tough SOB's without talking about Tony TNT Tucker)

Honourable mention: Frans Botha. (that's right, and fuck y'all with this one too if you don't think so. There is NO WAY Botha should have been in the ring fighting for championships and taking the champs at the time to the limit- he was beating the snot out of Moorer and Tyson before he got ko'd. Botha made it that far on pure grit.... ;D)

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Very diplomatic. I can tell you have a bright future around here...;D

Botha was/is tough, but he got crushed by Lennox Lewis. He sure hung tough in K-1 Kickboxing tho.

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Have to disagree with Franz there, mate. Sure he coulda kicked all our asses out the door and back. But toughest or hardest?

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You two guys are crazy!!! Botha had no business being in there withAxel Shulz when they fought, but he hung tough. Botha had no stamina and was an easy target as he had no defence. The punishment he took from guys 100 times more talented than he was is AMAZING!!

The shots he took full on and the pounding he took could very well have killed anyone of us.
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I was able to watch Botha train on a couple occasions while he was preparing for Lewis. The 'fight plan' they were preparing was absolutely suicidal; he was either simple for not realizing that, or insanely brave for realizing it and going ahead with it. My personal belief after seeing him train was that he would not finish two minutes of the fight. That he made it to the second round amazes me to this day.

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I was able to watch Botha train on a couple occasions while he was preparing for Lewis. The 'fight plan' they were preparing was absolutely suicidal; he was either simple for not realizing that, or insanely brave for realizing it and going ahead with it. My personal belief after seeing him train was that he would not finish two minutes of the fight. That he made it to the second round amazes me to this day.

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What was the fight plan? Please share some insight on that. Was it an inside or outside plan? Because we saw too little of the fight to make a determination on what exactly was he doing??

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I was able to watch Botha train on a couple occasions while he was preparing for Lewis. The 'fight plan' they were preparing was absolutely suicidal; he was either simple for not realizing that, or insanely brave for realizing it and going ahead with it. My personal belief after seeing him train was that he would not finish two minutes of the fight. That he made it to the second round amazes me to this day.

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What was the fight plan? Please share some insight on that. Was it an inside or outside plan? Because we saw too little of the fight to make a determination on what exactly was he doing??

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if we're going by this style of fighting then Shannon Briggs gets a toughness award in his Klit fight.

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I was able to watch Botha train on a couple occasions while he was preparing for Lewis. The 'fight plan' they were preparing was absolutely suicidal; he was either simple for not realizing that, or insanely brave for realizing it and going ahead with it. My personal belief after seeing him train was that he would not finish two minutes of the fight. That he made it to the second round amazes me to this day.

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What was the fight plan? Please share some insight on that. Was it an inside or outside plan? Because we saw too little of the fight to make a determination on what exactly was he doing??

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They had him coming straight forward, standing straight up, telling him the punch he needed to be landing was the left hook to the body. His trainer- maybe it was Pepe Correa?- had him square up marching forward. If you are familiar with Botha, you know he had a tendency to square up with his right hand any way (bringing his right foot forward)...When we left the gym the first thing my friend said was that there was no way Botha would last a round.

Joe Frazier
John L Sullivan
Jim Jefferies
Jack Dempsey
Max Baer
Jack Johnson
Ali
Sonny Liston
George Foreman
Mike Tyson

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I was able to watch Botha train on a couple occasions while he was preparing for Lewis. The 'fight plan' they were preparing was absolutely suicidal; he was either simple for not realizing that, or insanely brave for realizing it and going ahead with it. My personal belief after seeing him train was that he would not finish two minutes of the fight. That he made it to the second round amazes me to this day.

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What was the fight plan? Please share some insight on that. Was it an inside or outside plan? Because we saw too little of the fight to make a determination on what exactly was he doing??

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They had him coming straight forward, standing straight up, telling him the punch he needed to be landing was the left hook to the body. His trainer- maybe it was Pepe Correa?- had him square up marching forward. If you are familiar with Botha, you know he had a tendency to square up with his right hand any way (bringing his right foot forward)...When we left the gym the first thing my friend said was that there was no way Botha would last a round.

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LOLOL.... you're kidding me? They may as well had told him to walk directly into Mike Tyson with his hands down to his waist. hehehehee....
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Lennox was NEVER sensitive to body shots, and everyone he has knocked out was with the straight right hand!!!

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Name your top 10 heavyweights champions with the greatest heart, grit, determination and just all round hard as f**king nails. I think there should be a lot of old time champions on the list than modern fighters.

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john l sullivan
jeffries
sailor tom sharkey (not a champ but im putting him in anyway)
Holmes
Ali
Frazier
Marciano
Holyfield - great will to win
Lewis

Ive only named 9 cos thats all i can think that fill all the criteria asked. There are a few that you could argue should be there but for 1 reason or another i personally think they fall just a little short.