If a fighter knows for a fact he's behind and fails to go for it, it's kind of hard to feel sorry for his assQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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If a fighter knows for a fact he's behind and fails to go for it, it's kind of hard to feel sorry for his assQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Judging needs a rewrite but it's not open scoring. Take them away from ring side and give them the same camera angles we get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
That KING 13 you brought up earlier is not all that bad. Like an extra inning.
There's a big difference watching a fight from ringside and behind a camera. They need to ringside. Give them monitors or something. But you can't not have them ringsideQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitJudging needs a rewrite but it's not open scoring. Take them away from ring side and give them the same camera angles we get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
That KING 13 you brought up earlier is not all that bad. Like an extra inning.
Open scoring was the drizzling $#!ts when it was brought up years ago; it's still the drizzling $#!ts now...
I'm with that I just don't think a fighter needs a nanny. A quality corner and fighter can read the scene and fight and should never relax in hopes of judges. Judges will screw them regardless of open or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf a fighter knows for a fact he's behind and fails to go for it, it's kind of hard to feel sorry for his assQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
True enough. Maybe placed differently. Lots of blind spots for the ref let alone the judges. Locked up and away from all the distractions with a 360 view has some appeal. After all if you have to judge something you want to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere's a big difference watching a fight from ringside and behind a camera. They need to ringside. Give them monitors or something. But you can't not have them ringsideQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitJudging needs a rewrite but it's not open scoring. Take them away from ring side and give them the same camera angles we get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
That KING 13 you brought up earlier is not all that bad. Like an extra inning.
Intro them as the ref, and have them ring center at announce. Put faces on the map.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitJudging needs a rewrite but it's not open scoring. Take them away from ring side and give them the same camera angles we get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
That KING 13 you brought up earlier is not all that bad. Like an extra inning.
Not sure about the 13th either. There are fights that 'feel' or come out draws. Plus at end of 12 a guy comes off high, its all a massive finale only to have go cold, restart after a discussion etc.
How about shit can the whole works and start over again based on a 10 point must system from a spot w/o distraction? Boxing needs a total refit judging wise. I lament 15 rd title fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIntro them as the ref, and have them ring center at announce. Put faces on the map.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitJudging needs a rewrite but it's not open scoring. Take them away from ring side and give them the same camera angles we get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
That KING 13 you brought up earlier is not all that bad. Like an extra inning.
Not sure about the 13th either. There are fights that 'feel' or come out draws. Plus at end of 12 a guy comes off high, its all a massive finale only to have go cold, restart after a discussion etc.
A good shit canning is def overdue! But as long as the judges have some crooked jr. Jabba like Sullied'man watching over the shoulder they will always be distracted..and worse ;D. They need third party judge-ref reviews and evaluations.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitHow about shit can the whole works and start over again based on a 10 point must system from a spot w/o distraction? Boxing needs a total refit judging wise. I lament 15 rd title fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIntro them as the ref, and have them ring center at announce. Put faces on the map.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitJudging needs a rewrite but it's not open scoring. Take them away from ring side and give them the same camera angles we get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
That KING 13 you brought up earlier is not all that bad. Like an extra inning.
Not sure about the 13th either. There are fights that 'feel' or come out draws. Plus at end of 12 a guy comes off high, its all a massive finale only to have go cold, restart after a discussion etc.
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Originally Posted by SpicoliI'm with that I just don't think a fighter needs a nanny. A quality corner and fighter can read the scene and fight and should never relax in hopes of judges. Judges will screw them regardless of open or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf a fighter knows for a fact he's behind and fails to go for it, it's kind of hard to feel sorry for his assQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Why would any fan object to a fighter knowing the official score as the fight moves along? What's the big problem?
I don't want them to have a nanny, I want them to know the score or you could say the truth.
Knowing the running score hasn't seemed to hurt other pro sports, I don't see why it would have a negative effect on boxing.
If the scores are going the wrong way, you know when to start booing.
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Originally Posted by beenKOedQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI'm with that I just don't think a fighter needs a nanny. A quality corner and fighter can read the scene and fight and should never relax in hopes of judges. Judges will screw them regardless of open or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf a fighter knows for a fact he's behind and fails to go for it, it's kind of hard to feel sorry for his assQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Why would any fan object to a fighter knowing the official score as the fight moves along? What's the big problem?
I don't want them to have a nanny, I want them to know the score or you could say the truth.
Knowing the running score hasn't seemed to hurt other pro sports, I don't see why it would have a negative effect on boxing.
If the scores are going the wrong way, you know when to start booing.
Against!!!!
I'm against it. Sam Peter quit on his stool against Vitali because of it. Now if he hadn't have known the score, he may have kept trying for the KO. Because he was so far behind, he just accepted it and quit, robbing the fans of their money's worth.
Canelo is a come forward fighter and people pay to see him because he brings KO power but knowing he was so far ahead he didn't even attempt to utilize it in the last few rounds because he knew the fight was in the bag.
Boxing is an entertainment business and for me open scoring has only had a negative affect on the entertainment factor of a fight.
Can someone give an example were open scoring has encouraged a boxer to turn the fight around?
I'm not in favour of this but if they (WBC) still want to use it would be better just to have it at the half way point. This at least allows the fight to play out better than after 4 & 8 rounds.
Sam Peter stayed on his stool because he was getting his ass kicked.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Every pro sport is entertainment.
You weren't watching the same Canelo vs Trout fight I was, when Trout learned the official score his intensity jumped and if that fight had been 15 rounds I think he would have won.
Open scoring might be wrong for boxing, but I want to see it get a real trial.