Do you support the arming of Syrian 'rebels'?

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

On the whole I think ALL of us agree that arming the rebels is a poor idea. We are wandering off into tangential arguments as is our will, but we do seem to be on the same page on this.

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Good

What is the point of a poll ? Are you looking for a mandate or something?

More legal process than the Nazi types offered by Hague. Give at least a few people a few real views.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

More legal process than the Nazi types offered by Hague. Give at least a few people a few real views.

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What is is it with you and lazily bandying about labels like 'Nazi' ? does Hague subscribe to Nationalsozialismus ? Do his views incorporate biological racism ? Are you a proper socialist Miles ? What do you think one should do when a dictator routinely shuts down opposing voices and murders his own civilians en masse ? Turn away? Your view like Chomsky on all these situations is to do nothing and then take the moral high ground while evil people commit genocide. Nothing is that simple.

In five or ten or twenty years arming them will come back to bite us in the arse and when it does all the clowns like McCain who are advocating arming them will say that nobody could have predicted that arming and training large numbers of jihadi nutcases in the 2010s would cause us problems down the road.

Hey, it worked so well in Afghanistan in the eighties. What could go wrong?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

In five or ten or twenty years arming them will come back to bite us in the arse and when it does all the clowns like McCain who are advocating arming them will say that nobody could have predicted that arming and training large numbers of jihadi nutcases in the 2010s would cause us problems down the road.

Hey, it worked so well in Afghanistan in the eighties. What could go wrong?

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I generally agree with this but then hezbollah got involved and it takes all of my will to not fully endorse throwing our weight behind the rebels.

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Originally Posted by VictorCharlie

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

In five or ten or twenty years arming them will come back to bite us in the arse and when it does all the clowns like McCain who are advocating arming them will say that nobody could have predicted that arming and training large numbers of jihadi nutcases in the 2010s would cause us problems down the road.

Hey, it worked so well in Afghanistan in the eighties. What could go wrong?

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I generally agree with this but then hezbollah got involved and it takes all of my will to not fully endorse throwing our weight behind the rebels.

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Nevermind. :mad:

Report: Syrian rebels executed a 14-year-old boy for insulting Islam

The rebels and the Assad regime are no different and they are in a true to life "Civil War" and they should settle it themselves....let them make up their own minds about how to run a country and if they end up doing it wrong we'll slap the shit out of them until they learn to play nice.


I'm not worried how many Syrians get killed....nobody worried about Rwanda or Sudan why is Syria different?

Syrian rebels pledge loyalty to al-Qaeda


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEtRoZ5FWNc


.....naaaaaah I'm just kidding, I'm not shocked at all

Trouble is you don't no who your arming, freedom fighter rebel friend today, enemy tomorrow,!
best stay out of it.!!!!!!!!

True Dia Bando and as Robert Fisk observes, the guns are only going to get into the hands of people who would nothing more than to one day blow up America. It is a daft move on the part of the US and the UK and it has nothing to do with us. We don't have the ability to determine who the correct side is. We are also hypocrites as we ignore the rebels being crushed in Bahrain, the Palestinians looking for justice, and yet readily arm a genuine unknown quantity. It will bite us on the arse later on as this war is going to infect far more than Syria now and the sad thing is that almost everybody in the West seems to be against getting involved. General populations are ignored and the pretence at Western democracy is once again shown as an all too obvious hoax.

As the US wants to arm 'nice Syrian rebels' we must remind ourselves that weapons are not just guns. They are about money - Comment - Voices - The Independent

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

True Dia Bando and as Robert Fisk observes, the guns are only going to get into the hands of people who would nothing more than to one day blow up America. It is a daft move on the part of the US and the UK and it has nothing to do with us. We don't have the ability to determine who the correct side is. We are also hypocrites as we ignore the rebels being crushed in Bahrain, the Palestinians looking for justice, and yet readily arm a genuine unknown quantity. It will bite us on the arse later on as this war is going to infect far more than Syria now and the sad thing is that almost everybody in the West seems to be against getting involved. General populations are ignored and the pretence at Western democracy is once again shown as an all too obvious hoax.

As the US wants to arm 'nice Syrian rebels' we must remind ourselves that weapons are not just guns. They are about money - Comment - Voices - The Independent

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Miles has a valid point, the West has cocked up to many times the Middle East, has proven to be
a bed of hot coals, we put in a puppet leader and he turns out to be a bigger shit than then one's you
got rid of.!. What works for US the West , in my eyes is totally unsuitable for the Middle East far to
complicated, by just changing leadership in a Country.
May be this time lets keep, our noses and guns to ourselves.!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

What is the point of a poll ? Are you looking for a mandate or something?

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Gandalf the grey is always looking for a mandate.:)

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Originally Posted by VictorCharlie

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

In five or ten or twenty years arming them will come back to bite us in the arse and when it does all the clowns like McCain who are advocating arming them will say that nobody could have predicted that arming and training large numbers of jihadi nutcases in the 2010s would cause us problems down the road.

Hey, it worked so well in Afghanistan in the eighties. What could go wrong?

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I generally agree with this but then hezbollah got involved and it takes all of my will to not fully endorse throwing our weight behind the rebels.

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What's wrong with Hezbollah? They're cuddly freedom fighters. They only exist because Israel invaded their country and wouldn't leave and were starting to annex a big chunk of it that included the water source that provides south Lebanon with its water/agriculture. Hezbollah, peace be upon them, need to keep supply lines to Iran open so they're helping out in Syria. If not Israel eventually invade, steal their water and impoverish them like they're doing to the Palestinians. You can't blame anybody for fighting to defend their country, can you?

Also, too, most of the rebels we'd be arming are Iraq War Re-enactors who you were fighting in Iraq a decade ago. And they'll be fighting against Iraqi Shiite jihadis who have gone to Syria to fight for Assad. Those guys and the Iraqi Shiite government, who are also supporting Assad are people the US army was fighting and dying for to keep in power. That would be fucked up even for American foreign policy.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

What's wrong with Hezbollah? They're cuddly freedom fighters. They only exist because Israel invaded their country and wouldn't leave and were starting to annex a big chunk of it that included the water source that provides south Lebanon with its water/agriculture. Hezbollah, peace be upon them, need to keep supply lines to Iran open so they're helping out in Syria. If not Israel eventually invade, steal their water and impoverish them like they're doing to the Palestinians. You can't blame anybody for fighting to defend their country, can you?

Also, too, most of the rebels we'd be arming are Iraq War Re-enactors who you were fighting in Iraq a decade ago. And they'll be fighting against Iraqi Shiite jihadis who have gone to Syria to fight for Assad. Those guys and the Iraqi Shiite government, who are also supporting Assad are people the US army was fighting and dying for to keep in power. That would be fucked up even for American foreign policy.

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Always blaming Israel is a bit prejudiced Kirkland, they ARE the minority state in that area you know you horrible bigot