Re: Congratulations Egypt!
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El Kabong
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Howlin Mad Missy
and the people got rid of him, you should be pleased :rolleyes:
No. Obama hitched his wagon to the Arab Spring and stability was sacrificed for change. I'm not saying Mubarak and his ilk were perfect but #1 30 years worth of Egypt peacefully coexisting with Israel and #2 Egypt isn't a colony of the US they aren't a satellite state of ours how about we not get involved?
All the "anti-Obama" folks knew Morsi was shit and the Muslim Brotherhood was evil and now here we are and yet again Obama looks like a fool and makes the country look foolish too
So what you're saying is, the dictatorship that ruled Egypt for decades was a good thing and America should have continued to prop it up even though Egyptians were on the street demanding democratic elections and American foreign policy is supposed to be all about spreading democracy. America should have prevented those elections by some magical means, made all those Egyptians just go home and continue to live under dictatorship.
And even though we've been propping up the previous dictatorship for decades you now think America should not get involved, even though you're blaming Obama for not getting involved to keep the dictatorship in power a couple of years ago. Got it.
Re: Congratulations Egypt!
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Kirkland Laing
So what you're saying is, the dictatorship that ruled Egypt for decades was a good thing and America should have continued to prop it up even though Egyptians were on the street demanding democratic elections and American foreign policy is supposed to be all about spreading democracy. America should have prevented those elections by some magical means, made all those Egyptians just go home and continue to live under dictatorship.
And even though we've been propping up the previous dictatorship for decades you now think America should not get involved, even though you're blaming Obama for not getting involved to keep the dictatorship in power a couple of years ago. Got it.
It's what you call a "No win situation" Kirkland. Sure we helped solidify Mubarak's position, but then President Barack Hussein Obama recognized Morsi as President of Egypt and legitimized him.
And how did the Egyptians like that?
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Oh they LOVE Obama, I mean he's lowering the levels of the seas and we're loved throughout the world just as Messiah Obama had predicted
Here's a little advice for Barry "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain
Re: Congratulations Egypt!
But you supported a repressive dictator for decades, Lyle. You never had a problem with these dictators and how they 'controlled' the thick ignorant masses until it came to Obama playing the tried and trusted game.
Re: Congratulations Egypt!
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Gandalf
But you supported a repressive dictator for decades, Lyle. You never had a problem with these dictators and how they 'controlled' the thick ignorant masses until it came to Obama playing the tried and trusted game.
......Obama is a moron, a lightweight, a "community organizer".....he has no couth and he has no gravitas on the world stage. He's the Jeff Lacy of World Leaders....people thought he was going to be super awesome but he's just looked like a God damned fool for his entire time in office.
Re: Congratulations Egypt!
But you supported a repressive dictator for decades, Lyle. You never had a problem with these dictators and how they 'controlled' the thick ignorant masses until it came to Obama playing the tried and trusted game.
Re: Congratulations Egypt!
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Gandalf
But you supported a repressive dictator for decades, Lyle. You never had a problem with these dictators and how they 'controlled' the thick ignorant masses until it came to Obama playing the tried and trusted game.
There comes a time when you have to cut your ties with those dictators when they overstep certain bounds. The Egyptian people had enough of Mubarak and so they (with the help of the military) threw him out, Obama's best choice would have been to shut the hell up and allow them to do what they wanted to do and not throw support behind a different dictator.
The main Egyptian Allies the United States have are in the Military and they haven't gone anywhere. And why would they we give them planes and tanks and lord knows how much money. The Military run Egypt, they'll say who stays and who goes...the people of Egypt apparently don't understand that but whatever
Point is Obama lacks finesse with these situations and he clumsily said "yeah, Morsi is a great dude, let's give him legitimacy"....SHHHHHH Obama SHHHHHH just shut the fuck up. Say nothing about Morsi, let the Egyptians run Egypt...or allow them to think they do.
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Miles, there's a term that Obama should be familiar with (he's used it so often enough in his local scandals :rolleyes: )...."Plausible Deniability".....when Obama legitimized Morsi through his words and via the actions of one Anne Patterson ( Knives Come Out for U.S. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson | The Cable ) they have lost any and all plausible deniability and credibility in the hearts of the average Egyptian.
THANKFULLY Obama has not destroyed our friendship with the Egyptian military. Egypt is a key ally, we can't fuck that shit up. There's not many countries the West can trust in the Middle East.
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anyone else think we should change 'obama' to something funny to make lyle's rants more tolerable.
Re: Congratulations Egypt!
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Howlin Mad Missy
anyone else think we should change 'obama' to something funny to make lyle's rants more tolerable.
He's is a poor leader....are you attempting to say otherwise Missy?
Re: Congratulations Egypt!
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El Kabong
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Howlin Mad Missy
anyone else think we should change 'obama' to something funny to make lyle's rants more tolerable.
He's is a poor leader....are you attempting to say otherwise Missy?
you're obsessed
Re: Congratulations Egypt!
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El Kabong
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Howlin Mad Missy
anyone else think we should change 'obama' to something funny to make lyle's rants more tolerable.
He's is a poor leader....are you attempting to say otherwise Missy?
All of your leaders are poor, so at least be consistent with that argument. Also, the only reason you want 'allies' in the middle east is to sustain oil supply. You couldn't care less about Egyptian democracy in the past so I find it interesting that you now have an interest when Obama can be attached to it. America has always been in support of non-democratic regimes in the middle east in order to maintain an oil supply that is cheap. Israel and Egypt are about the region cogs working nicely and little more. Obama is like all recent Presidents in that he has next to no interest in Egyptian democracy. On that basis you cannot make Obama a special case. If you are to argue that Obama should be in support of democracy then you should apply it to all the nations that America deals with and democracy is the least of their concerns in most cases.
Re: Congratulations Egypt!
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Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Howlin Mad Missy
anyone else think we should change 'obama' to something funny to make lyle's rants more tolerable.
He's is a poor leader....are you attempting to say otherwise Missy?
All of your leaders are poor, so at least be consistent with that argument. Also, the only reason you want 'allies' in the middle east is to sustain oil supply. You couldn't care less about Egyptian democracy in the past so I find it interesting that you now have an interest when Obama can be attached to it. America has always been in support of non-democratic regimes in the middle east in order to maintain an oil supply that is cheap. Israel and Egypt are about the region cogs working nicely and little more. Obama is like all recent Presidents in that he has next to no interest in Egyptian democracy. On that basis you cannot make Obama a special case. If you are to argue that Obama should be in support of democracy then you should apply it to all the nations that America deals with and democracy is the least of their concerns in most cases.
Even the ones who fought to make certain that where you currently reside is a free place?
Fuck off miles
Re: Congratulations Egypt!
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
anyone else think we should change 'obama' to something funny to make lyle's rants more tolerable.
He's is a poor leader....are you attempting to say otherwise Missy?
All of your leaders are poor, so at least be consistent with that argument. Also, the only reason you want 'allies' in the middle east is to sustain oil supply. You couldn't care less about Egyptian democracy in the past so I find it interesting that you now have an interest when Obama can be attached to it. America has always been in support of non-democratic regimes in the middle east in order to maintain an oil supply that is cheap. Israel and Egypt are about the region cogs working nicely and little more. Obama is like all recent Presidents in that he has next to no interest in Egyptian democracy. On that basis you cannot make Obama a special case. If you are to argue that Obama should be in support of democracy then you should apply it to all the nations that America deals with and democracy is the least of their concerns in most cases.
Even the ones who fought to make certain that where you currently reside is a free place?
Fuck off miles
Eh? You as an American today should not talk to anyone about a place being 'free' and your country couldn't care less that Korea was a dictatorship for decades afterwards. You came here for 'freedom' and stayed friends with a dictator as always. The Korean people made this place free, not America (and it was the UN including my country too). America only changes its political argument when it has lost and then it supports the other side.
Your arguments are weak and silly and thus you get all defensive and angry. You couldn't care less about freedom. Where is your disgruntlement about Saudi Arabia, your biggest Middle East oil buddy? And yet you care about Egyptians now and tell me to fuck off without addressing anything I said.
Wanker.
