Re: Glove shaving. It should be outlawed
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greynotsoold
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Talk about loading a glove from the outside in. Looks like a neck brace for the forearm, turns a slappy clipping shot into a club. Scuff up the tape, fold it over...viola I'm now punching you with a plastic cheese grater. I wouldn't really put it on the ref though, they have to deal with what's introduced to the ring or from corner between rounds. Should be stopped before the bell rings. We can't even count on a ref to score proper knock downs lately.
The whole point about the tape around the cuff of the glove was to eliminate the 'cheese-rater' effect. Cover up the laces. In the old days- I remember seeing this into the early 1970s- guys would use the laces on the gloves like a razor. These days you don't see the cuts and scuff marks like you used to so I don't think that the tape is much of a weapon in that fashion- most cuts, with the bigger gloves and all, come from elbows or heads.
Oh yeh without a doubt, guys could perfect a glancing lace as much as a pin point uppercut. Still though if there is the intent to bend for an advantage in the first place tape riding off the wrist may do it also. Kills me how far the sport has come but how often we still see stoppages for rewraps, flapping tape etc. I remember always hearing a few guys calling for a rule across the board to use plain ol duct tape or like more adhesive material but seems nothing came of it. Good call on the elbow...more and more I notice guys almost using a chicken wing as a short floating jab, it's hardly ever called!
They would rub the laces across the opponent's eyes in the clinches- get the ref screened to one side and, on the other side, go to work. Kind of like in pro wrestling. You can land the elbow on the follow through of any punch and some guys make it an art form. Michael Spinks and Happy Lora come immediately to mind.
Re: Glove shaving. It should be outlawed
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greynotsoold
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Spicoli
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greynotsoold
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Spicoli
Talk about loading a glove from the outside in. Looks like a neck brace for the forearm, turns a slappy clipping shot into a club. Scuff up the tape, fold it over...viola I'm now punching you with a plastic cheese grater. I wouldn't really put it on the ref though, they have to deal with what's introduced to the ring or from corner between rounds. Should be stopped before the bell rings. We can't even count on a ref to score proper knock downs lately.
The whole point about the tape around the cuff of the glove was to eliminate the 'cheese-rater' effect. Cover up the laces. In the old days- I remember seeing this into the early 1970s- guys would use the laces on the gloves like a razor. These days you don't see the cuts and scuff marks like you used to so I don't think that the tape is much of a weapon in that fashion- most cuts, with the bigger gloves and all, come from elbows or heads.
Oh yeh without a doubt, guys could perfect a glancing lace as much as a pin point uppercut. Still though if there is the intent to bend for an advantage in the first place tape riding off the wrist may do it also. Kills me how far the sport has come but how often we still see stoppages for rewraps, flapping tape etc. I remember always hearing a few guys calling for a rule across the board to use plain ol duct tape or like more adhesive material but seems nothing came of it. Good call on the elbow...more and more I notice guys almost using a chicken wing as a short floating jab, it's hardly ever called!
They would rub the laces across the opponent's eyes in the clinches- get the ref screened to one side and, on the other side, go to work. Kind of like in pro wrestling. You can land the elbow on the follow through of any punch and some guys make it an art form. Michael Spinks and Happy Lora come immediately to mind.
Like a power shot with a built in blinding jab the glove. Antonio demarco vs Edwin Valero. I like Demarco but one of those along the ropes looked as targeted as they come, Valero looked like he was attacked with a hatchet!
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One of my favorites was Pintor vs Wilfredo Gomez. There were times when Gomez didn't even try to hide it and went with nothing but low blows and elbow smashes. And the second davila vs Happy Lora fight, Lora gave a clinic on how to use the elbows.
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One of my favorites was Pintor vs Wilfredo Gomez. There were times when Gomez didn't even try to hide it and went with nothing but low blows and elbow smashes. And the second davila vs Happy Lora fight, Lora gave a clinic on how to use the elbows.
Nice! Back when 'Nawlins knew how to host a classic. Pintor had him there pounding Gomez into hamburger meat until the roof caved in on him. Calm customer Pintor through all the rough stuff and Gomez trying to almost neuter him!
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Call me thick but am I missing something? All I see is extra bandage around the wrist.
Re: Glove shaving. It should be outlawed
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Call me thick but am I missing something? All I see is extra bandage around the wrist.
The idea is to pack the fist, so to speak. You can do the same thing with hand wraps but they keep an eye on that, so you skin (shave) the glove. Like you see with the tape.
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Also, this works real well with Reyes gloves. If you notice, they have a longer cuff. Well, all that goes into the weight of the glove. An 18 oz glove doesn't mean 18 oz of padding over the knuckles. With Reyes, a lot of the weight is in the cuff and on the back of the hand, relatively light over the part where punches land; this is why they are known as punchers gloves.
What you are doing with all that tape, you are skinning it back, pushing the padding back and taping it down, because it moves, and you want your punches to land with as much of that heavily taped and tightly wrapped fist getting through as possible.
In the old days they wrapped hands with packing tape and fought with 4 oz gloves and it is a miracle (and a testament to defensive skill) that anybody survived.
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The amount of tape on those gloves is ridiculous!!! Normally I tried to peal back some of the material by crossing my laces on the backside of the glove up high and feeding the padding back toward the wrists and then secure it by tightening down the laces! Then you use tape to cover the laces!
Whats more incredible to me is how often fighters are hitting pads with "fight gloves on"!!!
Warming up in the locker area using mitts is inzane! No way does that happen to anyone I'm in charge of! Ray.
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I don't have a problem with skinning the gloves. Nothing is being taken out of the glove. And nothing is being added to the glove. The tape is just being placed a certain way. Does it help the fighter? Yes it does. But it's not illegal. So there is no reason why both fighters shouldn't be doing it
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Fuck I never even know about this. How fucking useless are the athletic commisions if guys are getting away with this shit?
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Damn just watching a card from Mexico. Javier Quiebra vs Gerardo González. The tape line is right at the bottom of the thumb. Never seen tape that high before.
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Damn just watching a card from Mexico. Javier Quiebra vs Gerardo González. The tape line is right at the bottom of the thumb. Never seen tape that high before.
Got a picture? Still can't get it into my head what is the big deal.
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Barrera is the first fighter that comes to mind when I hear glove shaving.. he did it often but never got called out on it.
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Damn just watching a card from Mexico. Javier Quiebra vs Gerardo González. The tape line is right at the bottom of the thumb. Never seen tape that high before.
Got a picture? Still can't get it into my head what is the big deal.
Gloves should have a smooth shiny surface that glides over skin, not a rough surface that creates friction and pulls the skin.
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Master
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IamInuit
Damn just watching a card from Mexico. Javier Quiebra vs Gerardo González. The tape line is right at the bottom of the thumb. Never seen tape that high before.
Got a picture? Still can't get it into my head what is the big deal.
Already some in the thread but here:
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...jpg?1261988488
I cant find a pic from last night yet but have a gif but it was worse then the above. Its not hard to imagine what this does for punches. Imo its loading gloves w/o putting anything in or taking anything out.
This I also posted. Its a fight awhile back between Lecona vs Fuentes and Fuentes was upset. Like the Mab pic, you cant even see the Reyes logo. I'm not trying to single out Mexico but its quite prominent.
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/fuen...-vs-verde6.jpg
