I always laugh when people say Zab failed, let's be honest Zab is the reason boxers duck, but I'd rather have Zab's career than be undefeated an have no good names on my resume.
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I always laugh when people say Zab failed, let's be honest Zab is the reason boxers duck, but I'd rather have Zab's career than be undefeated an have no good names on my resume.
No i dont think he failed, far from it, he is actually one of my favorites. I just personally think he couldve been THE guy had he stayed on track. He gave floyd and cotto hell, but imagine with only a little more fine tunning, he couldve beat them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Vargas was pushed just right. He wasn't rushed. His career pretty much ended when he hurt his back. He was never the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I'll also add Joe Calzaghe to the list because after he beat Eubank for the title which was a fantastic win for such a young fighter he was never really showcased or pushed into superfights until 9-10 years later.
which was a waste of years for such a talented fighter IMHO
Bert Cooper. Frankie Randall, Zack Padilla.
Poster Boy...
Joan Guzman 
YES! Fight RJJ, Toney, Hopkins during prime years! Calzaghe would have really improved his standing outside of England (hard to believe but true) had he done that win or lose (as long as he was competitive)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
I thought Hopkins was still fighting at an elite level when Joe beat him
True enough on himQuote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Rice
Victor Ortiz
That's just wrong. :shakehead: Homeboy was forced to retireQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBert Cooper. Frankie Randall, Zack Padilla.
Poster Boy...
Joan Guzman
It must be frustrating to manage a fighter like Guzman. There was a time when many fans were picking him to beat Pacquiao and maybe he could have under the right condition. With the style that he had, i could see pacman swinging for the fences against this guy..Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBert Cooper. Frankie Randall, Zack Padilla.
Poster Boy...
Joan Guzman
I saw guzman fight live against the russian guy whose name i wont try to spell, beating pacqiou is a feat he couldnt dream of accomplishingQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaIt must be frustrating to manage a fighter like Guzman. There was a time when many fans were picking him to beat Pacquiao and maybe he could have under the right condition. With the style that he had, i could see pacman swinging for the fences against this guy..Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBert Cooper. Frankie Randall, Zack Padilla.
Poster Boy...
Joan Guzman
Guzman is 37 and light-years past his best.
Back in the day, when his immense talent covered up his lack of dedication, he looked awesome. I'd have backed him to wipe the floor with Pac not just beat him.
Brilliant call. Anyone who regularly throws 1500ish punches in 12 round fights, catches my attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I had to rewatch him blowing up Meyers and Gonzalez last night. Just a whirlwind! Regardless of losing 5+ yrs early and coming back at 29 he only improved. Still got totally snubbed by ranking for carrying wbo trinket then injured right at a peak. Much harsher circumstances than some dude who blew his career because he opted to put a pipe in his mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidBrilliant call. Anyone who regularly throws 1500ish punches in 12 round fights, catches my attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli