Re: Roy Jones and Floyd : who was more dominant in their prime?
I'm going to go with Roy. There's just a lot of feats included with roys resume that Mayweather wouldn't attempt. (The basketball game before the fight, fighting Hopkins and telesco one handed. Mayweather's only official knockdown came from the pain from breaking his hand in a fight and too his credit he survived for the decision...but you never saw him schooling guys with one hand the way roy did.
There's a difference in the perceived level of competition. The games changed a little between the two fighters even though there was a span of years where they were fighting at the same time. The level of Roy's competition was dictated by mostly by title defenses. He sat on top of a pile of belts and defended against his mandatorys. Floyd, Martinez, broner, Paul Williams has/had the luxury of free wheeling through divisions cherry picking champions for belts without having to wait in line because the super fight money has trumped the honor and rules that used to be prevalent in the fight game. Roy only really started doing that at the end of his career and it was unnecessary. Can you imagine Roy fighting DLH at a catch weight and smoking him out 5 rounds...Or Trinidad... and doing to them what he did to pazienza.
Every generation of boxer has their hype jobs.. but there seem to be a lot more now. You grab a volume puncher and take him to GNC and get him some supplements, give one of his opponent's ex wives or gf's to talk crap for a free trip to vegas and let the fighter's Jaw at each other for a bit and you label it to the casual fan as bad blood.. The fight sells and everyone gets a piece, but no ones looking at the disparity of the talent except the students of the game (us).
Roy and Floyd are 2 special fighters but the environment has changed... so measuring them equally is harder.
Re: Roy Jones and Floyd : who was more dominant in their prime?
I say its a tie if they fought pound for pound i have to say i have no idea who would win. As for Jones winning belt against Ruiz i think its pretty impressive but does get overrated. When people talk pound for pound i say Holyfeild is up there consider he started as a Lhw and became a top atg Hw.
Re: Roy Jones and Floyd : who was more dominant in their prime?
Not to start an argument but didn't Roy get busted for a form of steroids in his fight against Richard Hall? I love Roy and he was an awesome fighter but I feel that taints him somewhat. I think Floyd has been a consistent bad ass since 98 and has been in the ring ratings since then.
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Roy gets too much credit for beating Ruiz. It's more a minority of hardcore fans that understand he beat an average/ranked heavyweight not THE world champion. Was it a very impressive win for a light heavyweight? Yes. Does it mean he achieved some amazing unfathomable feat by beating a guy given a WBA title? No.
Just in recent times, lots of fighters have have moved from lightheavy to beat average/ranked heavyweights.
Overall though I'd pick prime Roy P4P over Floyd even though his record is inferior.
I agree. I think the HW win against Ruiz was one of the least of his accomplishments. That said, Roy owned the sport along with every belt known to man for a decade. Father Time beat Roy the worst. He seemed to get old literally overnight. He also carried himself as a champion better imo. Roy was one of a kind, Floyd is just a HOF'er.
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Not to start an argument but didn't Roy get busted for a form of steroids in his fight against Richard Hall? I love Roy and he was an awesome fighter but I feel that taints him somewhat. I think Floyd has been a consistent bad ass since 98 and has been in the ring ratings since then.
Such a good point.
I love roy but theres no ignoring the steroid issue.
Floyds prime is still going.
Thats dominance
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Not to start an argument but didn't Roy get busted for a form of steroids in his fight against Richard Hall? I love Roy and he was an awesome fighter but I feel that taints him somewhat. I think Floyd has been a consistent bad ass since 98 and has been in the ring ratings since then.
I remember this but he seemingly got a pass as he proved that it was a tainted supplement. If I recall correctly it was TwinLabs Ripped Fuel or something like that.
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Not to start an argument but didn't Roy get busted for a form of steroids in his fight against Richard Hall? I love Roy and he was an awesome fighter but I feel that taints him somewhat. I think Floyd has been a consistent bad ass since 98 and has been in the ring ratings since then.
Such a good point.
I love roy but theres no ignoring the steroid issue.
Floyds prime is still going.
Thats dominance
yeah and it makes you think that maybe he was on roids, losing the olpympics maybe he said hell do whatever it takes, and perhaps its why he aged so fast, when he got off of it, thats a quoestion mark ive always had
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Not to start an argument but didn't Roy get busted for a form of steroids in his fight against Richard Hall? I love Roy and he was an awesome fighter but I feel that taints him somewhat. I think Floyd has been a consistent bad ass since 98 and has been in the ring ratings since then.
It doesn't taint him at all. Taking steroids is considered cheating. It gives one fighter an advantage over the other one. When that happens it's no longer a level playing field. That's wasn't the case here. Hall himself also tested positive. Making it a level playing field. No fighter had an advantage over the other one. So no cheating ever took place.
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Not to start an argument but didn't Roy get busted for a form of steroids in his fight against Richard Hall? I love Roy and he was an awesome fighter but I feel that taints him somewhat. I think Floyd has been a consistent bad ass since 98 and has been in the ring ratings since then.
It doesn't taint him at all. Taking steroids is considered cheating. It gives one fighter an advantage over the other one. When that happens it's no longer a level playing field. That's wasn't the case here. Hall himself also tested positive. Making it a level playing field. No fighter had an advantage over the other one. So no cheating ever took place.
I hear you but 2 wrongs don't make a right.
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Not to start an argument but didn't Roy get busted for a form of steroids in his fight against Richard Hall? I love Roy and he was an awesome fighter but I feel that taints him somewhat. I think Floyd has been a consistent bad ass since 98 and has been in the ring ratings since then.
It doesn't taint him at all. Taking steroids is considered cheating. It gives one fighter an advantage over the other one. When that happens it's no longer a level playing field. That's wasn't the case here. Hall himself also tested positive. Making it a level playing field. No fighter had an advantage over the other one. So no cheating ever took place.
I hear you but 2 wrongs don't make a right.
But they do make amends
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Not to start an argument but didn't Roy get busted for a form of steroids in his fight against Richard Hall? I love Roy and he was an awesome fighter but I feel that taints him somewhat. I think Floyd has been a consistent bad ass since 98 and has been in the ring ratings since then.
It doesn't taint him at all. Taking steroids is considered cheating. It gives one fighter an advantage over the other one. When that happens it's no longer a level playing field. That's wasn't the case here. Hall himself also tested positive. Making it a level playing field. No fighter had an advantage over the other one. So no cheating ever took place.
I hear you but 2 wrongs don't make a right.
But they do make amends
Agree to disagree. It also makes me wonder that after the Balco case that there were some big names in their file that alot of people did not want released. Was Roy apart of this also? Maybe 1 day we will find out because Sugar slipped through the cracks until he confessed. How many other top boxers did too?.
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Not to start an argument but didn't Roy get busted for a form of steroids in his fight against Richard Hall? I love Roy and he was an awesome fighter but I feel that taints him somewhat. I think Floyd has been a consistent bad ass since 98 and has been in the ring ratings since then.
It doesn't taint him at all. Taking steroids is considered cheating. It gives one fighter an advantage over the other one. When that happens it's no longer a level playing field. That's wasn't the case here. Hall himself also tested positive. Making it a level playing field. No fighter had an advantage over the other one. So no cheating ever took place.
I hear you but 2 wrongs don't make a right.
But they do make amends
Agree to disagree. It also makes me wonder that after the Balco case that there were some big names in their file that alot of people did not want released. Was Roy apart of this also? Maybe 1 day we will find out because Sugar slipped through the cracks until he confessed. How many other top boxers did too?.
Jones was always clean. Ripped Fuel (which is legal) caused his failed test. He never had a problem any other time.
Re: Roy Jones and Floyd : who was more dominant in their prime?
Firstly I would go with Roy.
Just because Floyd has longer longevity I wouldnt consider him a greater fighter.
I dont see Floyd being able to hurt Roy but I see Roy being able to hurt Floyd badly (Just like he could hurt anyone else).
Sure Roy may have a tough time landing some punches but Floyd would have a tough time landing as well and he would have to worry 100 times over about getting hit.
As far as comparing records, Roy has 56 wins, Floyd has 44. Minus Roys DQ loss he was 49-0 at one time (49-1). And alot of Floyds best wins were against guys out of their prime.
I know I am beating a dead bush when saying this but Oscar gave Floyd all he could handle at like 35 after a year off and clearly out of his prime.
Even JMM was old and Mosley was definately old.
Floyd was 31 when he fought De LA Hoya, even younger when Judah and Castillo gave him a good fight.
No one could touch Roy until he was like 34.
