I would like to see ward on one of those 24/7 specials or something.
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I would like to see ward on one of those 24/7 specials or something.
I do not think he is exciting enough to carry one of those off.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Very good. He's beaten all the names you'd need him to beat at his weight class.
Now he needs to find that challenge that's going to further propel his career
I agree but there is the possibility that he'll use up all of boxing's allotted god shout outs and no one will be able to do it again, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not think he is exciting enough to carry one of those off.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Yeah, hes not exciting but he still is a nice guy and perhaps that might even make him more appealing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisI agree but there is the possibility that he'll use up all of boxing's allotted god shout outs and no one will be able to do it again, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not think he is exciting enough to carry one of those off.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Worth a go.
It is very good. It merits his p4p mention. I would caution that to consider it great one necessarily rates Froch and Kessler highly, as they are his two most significant wins.
Froch's resume arguably is close to as good as Ward's, but he'll always be a step behind in ranking because he lost to Ward and he lost to Kessler in their first fight. However, Froch has wins over Pascal, Bute, Andre Dirrell, and Kessler too, the first three of which Ward doesn't have. I know some people thought Froch lost to Dirrell, but at least Froch fought Dirrell. We don't know what would have happened had Dirrell fought Ward.
Where does Ward go now? There doesn't appear to be anyone else at super middleweight for him to face. There are a bunch of contenders at 175 in Stevenson, Kovalev, Hopkins (GB), and the Pascal/Bute winner, but if he doesn't need to step up in weight, should he do so and take the additional risk?
GGG is a potential future foe, but GGG has a stacked division to take care of first. I'm not sure why he would jump up to face Ward now, when he could take on the other top guys at middleweight first.
Ward is a very good fighter, but his style of boxing will never give him a large fan base,
ever one he's faced he has beaten them, he has a first class resume.
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Dirrell is a basket case, who says he wanted to fight Ward at any point? It would have happened if the super six had panned out differently, and I'd agree that's a hard style for Ward but he's so much tougher upstairs. Bute for all we know was fairly content being fed mid level guys in his backyard until the Froch beatdown, you don't think Ward would've taken that fight instead? He's in a bad spot because guys he beats are still worth a lot more money than he is, it's hardly a knock on his resume surely.
What your saying Ward is not entertaining.!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Dirrell is a basket case, who says he wanted to fight Ward at any point? It would have happened if the super six had panned out differently, and I'd agree that's a hard style for Ward but he's so much tougher upstairs. Bute for all we know was fairly content being fed mid level guys in his backyard until the Froch beatdown, you don't think Ward would've taken that fight instead? He's in a bad spot because guys he beats are still worth a lot more money than he is, it's hardly a knock on his resume surely.
Look how long JC stayed at supermiddleweight.
There should be no pressure for ward to move up in weight if there is still money in a froch rematch.
Any weight ward moves into is a problem for everyone else.
I'm always entertained by boxing at a high level, but yes even I don't relish watching him fight and totally understand some people not liking him at all. He's a very smart fighter, clearly the 2nd best boxing brain out there imo, but just doesn't have the physical tools to put any sizzle on top of it all. He was trying to be Roy Jones for a while before he fought anyone half decent and it got him in big trouble. If he was just a tad faster, or had a bit more pop he would be torturing guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoWhat your saying Ward is not entertaining.!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Dirrell is a basket case, who says he wanted to fight Ward at any point? It would have happened if the super six had panned out differently, and I'd agree that's a hard style for Ward but he's so much tougher upstairs. Bute for all we know was fairly content being fed mid level guys in his backyard until the Froch beatdown, you don't think Ward would've taken that fight instead? He's in a bad spot because guys he beats are still worth a lot more money than he is, it's hardly a knock on his resume surely.
You can't factor in entertainment value when judging a fighters record. It's just simple facts and figures.
Ward is about as genuine a world champ you can get in this pathetic multi-champ boxing world. He's not only beat his closest rivals he has formlines that put him above all the top men he hasn't faced.
Who wants to list supermiddles with better records? Lets go
Quite true, but entertainment value does clearly affect the ability to land fights so it's not unrelated. If he were as popular as Froch, maybe that rematch would already have happened in the States, or Bute would've fought him first instead, etc etc.
If I'm Froch, I wouldn't take on Ward again until I fought every other person out there because it appears Froch is better than everyone else, but Ward. Sometimes one guy's style is another guy's foil. Froch can beat Groves and unify with Stieglitz. Give Bute a rematch if Bute beats Pascal. Face Kessler again if Kessler wants another go. All those matches are more winnable for Froch and make him as much money.
Ward might only have the option of jumping up. Right?
Also, if Ward is number two p4p, how high is Froch ranked? He has to be top ten or borderline top ten.
I like froch.
But the smart move as Rant says is to bide his time and leave ward until last..the money he can make elsewhere will finish off his career and he can then step up to light heavy for his last couple of fights.
Ward has achieved so much in a short time frame,
One of the best at 168 of all time.