Re: Why was Tito so obsessed with Roy and not with Oscar ????
Tito had heart and courage for sure, but he had absolutely no idea how to go about dealing with Bernard's style. He was reduced to plodding forward and looking for the one big punch while getting eaten alive on the inside and from range. He was totally out of his class. This wasn't a bigger guy imposing his will on a smaller guy, this was a guy applying his superior craft on another guy and making him look stupid.
And I never said Trinidad was a natural MW. And if I did say that, I didn't say it was because he beat Joppy.
What I said was that the notion that Trinidad didn't carry power up to middleweight was stupid because he got in there with a LEGIT, MASSIVE, DURABLE middleweight and destroyed him with his power. We're not talking about getting in there with a journeyman middleweight: Joppy was top 5 at the time. World class. And Tito destroyed him.
Your Roy Jones analogy is totally irrelevant. Jones, despite being able to hit Ruiz at will, couldn't hurt Ruiz at all, which was further proof that he didn't belong at HW.
I believe Tito was a natural 154lber and that was a good weight for him, but we're only talking about going up one division. Does Hagler not deserve credit for beating Hearns and Duran, who were also coming up from WW and LMW?
Re: Why was Tito so obsessed with Roy and not with Oscar ????
De La Hoya and Trinidad really should of fought 3 times. But Trinidad didn't want to. He knew he got a gift in there first fight. He knew in his heart he couldn't beat him. So he did everything he could to not make the fight. From demanding Oscar get 5 million while he took 20 million. And demanding the fight take place in Puerto Rico. Trinidad had deluded himself into thinking he was the draw. Oscar offered him a guaranteed 15 million for a rematch. Trinidad instead takes 4 million to fight David Reid. That proves he wanted nothing to do with Oscar De La Hoya
Re: Why was Tito so obsessed with Roy and not with Oscar ????
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This is actually one of your best post ever. If you give Hopkins credit for beating Tito ( and you give Hagler as an example ) why don't you give him credit for beating De La Hoya.
I give him credit for beating De La Hoya. Like Tito, DLH belonged at 154lb and not MW, but he was still a fantastic fighter with speed and skill, and I still believe he won a handful of those early rounds vs Hopkins.
Re: Why was Tito so obsessed with Roy and not with Oscar ????
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De La Hoya and Trinidad really should of fought 3 times. But Trinidad didn't want to. He knew he got a gift in there first fight. He knew in his heart he couldn't beat him. So he did everything he could to not make the fight. From demanding Oscar get 5 million while he took 20 million. And demanding the fight take place in Puerto Rico. Trinidad had deluded himself into thinking he was the draw. Oscar offered him a guaranteed 15 million for a rematch. Trinidad instead takes 4 million to fight David Reid. That proves he wanted nothing to do with Oscar De La Hoya
Wouldn't surprise me, Oscar outboxed Tito all day and got robbed.
Re: Why was Tito so obsessed with Roy and not with Oscar ????
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De La Hoya and Trinidad really should of fought 3 times. But Trinidad didn't want to. He knew he got a gift in there first fight. He knew in his heart he couldn't beat him. So he did everything he could to not make the fight. From demanding Oscar get 5 million while he took 20 million. And demanding the fight take place in Puerto Rico. Trinidad had deluded himself into thinking he was the draw. Oscar offered him a guaranteed 15 million for a rematch. Trinidad instead takes 4 million to fight David Reid. That proves he wanted nothing to do with Oscar De La Hoya
Wouldn't surprise me, Oscar outboxed Tito all day and got robbed.
That was smart from Tito to beat an undefeated olmpian at a higher weight and then be in a stronger position to negotiate.
Re: Why was Tito so obsessed with Roy and not with Oscar ????
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De La Hoya and Trinidad really should of fought 3 times. But Trinidad didn't want to. He knew he got a gift in there first fight. He knew in his heart he couldn't beat him. So he did everything he could to not make the fight. From demanding Oscar get 5 million while he took 20 million. And demanding the fight take place in Puerto Rico. Trinidad had deluded himself into thinking he was the draw. Oscar offered him a guaranteed 15 million for a rematch. Trinidad instead takes 4 million to fight David Reid. That proves he wanted nothing to do with Oscar De La Hoya
Wouldn't surprise me, Oscar outboxed Tito all day and got robbed.
That was smart from Tito to beat an undefeated olmpian at a higher weight and then be in a stronger position to negotiate.
Trinidad's combined purses for fighting David Reid, Mamadou Thiam, Fernando Vargas and William Joppy is still less than the 15 million De La Hoya offered him. Yeah real smart
Re: Why was Tito so obsessed with Roy and not with Oscar ????
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De La Hoya and Trinidad really should of fought 3 times. But Trinidad didn't want to. He knew he got a gift in there first fight. He knew in his heart he couldn't beat him. So he did everything he could to not make the fight. From demanding Oscar get 5 million while he took 20 million. And demanding the fight take place in Puerto Rico. Trinidad had deluded himself into thinking he was the draw. Oscar offered him a guaranteed 15 million for a rematch. Trinidad instead takes 4 million to fight David Reid. That proves he wanted nothing to do with Oscar De La Hoya
Wouldn't surprise me, Oscar outboxed Tito all day and got robbed.
That was smart from Tito to beat an undefeated olmpian at a higher weight and then be in a stronger position to negotiate.
Trinidad's combined purses for fighting David Reid, Mamadou Thiam, Fernando Vargas and William Joppy is still less than the 15 million De La Hoya offered him. Yeah real smart
Yes it was as he won them all.
Re: Why was Tito so obsessed with Roy and not with Oscar ????
Tito did bad against great fighters who could box and could never adapt and never had a plan b. He got a huge gift against Oscar, then went on to lose every round against Bhop and then lose every round against Winky. Roy was pretty shot but still won every round but he was alot bigger as well.
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De La Hoya and Trinidad really should of fought 3 times. But Trinidad didn't want to. He knew he got a gift in there first fight. He knew in his heart he couldn't beat him. So he did everything he could to not make the fight. From demanding Oscar get 5 million while he took 20 million. And demanding the fight take place in Puerto Rico. Trinidad had deluded himself into thinking he was the draw. Oscar offered him a guaranteed 15 million for a rematch. Trinidad instead takes 4 million to fight David Reid. That proves he wanted nothing to do with Oscar De La Hoya
Wouldn't surprise me, Oscar outboxed Tito all day and got robbed.
That was smart from Tito to beat an undefeated olmpian at a higher weight and then be in a stronger position to negotiate.
Trinidad's combined purses for fighting David Reid, Mamadou Thiam, Fernando Vargas and William Joppy is still less than the 15 million De La Hoya offered him. Yeah real smart
Yes it was as he won them all.
From that point it was smart. Cuz he would of lost again to De La Hoya.
Re: Why was Tito so obsessed with Roy and not with Oscar ????
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Tito beat Oscar so he had less to prove and more to lose.
He wanted Jones because he probably thought he could carry his punch up the weights but Hopkins told him different.
To be fair, he was knocking people out all over the place at MW before the Hopkins fight.
Tito fought one time at MW prior to Hopkins and that was to Joppy.
He went to light middle first.
Not a huge difference, if your power holds at LMW then not too far fetched hat you can hold it at MW.
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Tito beat Oscar so he had less to prove and more to lose.
He wanted Jones because he probably thought he could carry his punch up the weights but Hopkins told him different.
To be fair, he was knocking people out all over the place at MW before the Hopkins fight.
Tito fought one time at MW prior to Hopkins and that was to Joppy.
He went to light middle first.
Not a huge difference, if your power holds at LMW then not too far fetched hat you can hold it at MW.
his power didn't hold against hopkins cause his hands weren't wrapped in the special way his father always wrapped them.
watch the fight tito. lands a few punches early and quickly realizes that he has no power. hopkins quickly realizes that tito has no plan b. easy fight for b-hop.
