Re: What difference will weight make in the Floyd - Alvarez fight
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Cutting weight is hell for any fighter and cutting even a bit more than you are used to can be very significant. He will be eating 4 pieces of lettuce, 2 slices of tomato, and a crumb of bread as his daily meal for a week before the fight. There is a reason he fights in spurts and it is because he is a drained fighter, he's knackered and cannot do more. This fight will only make it worse and he is fighting the best fighter in the world. He was stupid to agree to the weight.
No offense but people need to stop this. They need to stop this cause its a crock of shit. He weighed in at 153 for Trout and has been 150. 151 etc in previous fights. The difference here is a bigger then normal bowel movement the morning of the weigh in.
You are a smart fellow and I am sure in the boxing books you have read, you have found fighters that have to cut weight take quite extreme approaches to doing so. The CW wasn't put in for a laugh. It is induced to make Canelo weak and make Floyd look better against a bigger guy than he should. It is smoke and mirrors on the part of Floyd.
Canelo will be drained, just like usual, only moreso. Floyd has made no sacrifices. He has fought at 154 and could have done so properly. If it has no bearing, then ask Floyd why he demanded it.
There is no evidence in history to suggest that a guy that weighs near light heavyweight at fight night that fights at 154 has an issue with losing 2 pounds and the facts in this specific case scream out and yet are ignored. The guy has weighed in numerous times near the same weight and as low as 150.
If he loses a close one people that hate Floyd will say the two pounds might have made the difference.
If he loses a lopsided one then the two pounds will take on epic proportion.
But if he sneaks it out or manages to knock Floyd out, that two pounds will have had no significance whatsoever.
Well, you make it difficult to debate fighters who have drained and documented it later with your rather precise stipulations. Of course fighters have lost weight and struggled with it, it is common.
Actually, seeing your post just after, you are simply being a tosser. 2 pounds is a tremendous deal to many fighters who drain in order to make weight. Why should he change weight class, when Floyd is reducing him from his own weight class? Canelo can make 154 just right, but 152 is only going to make it harder. It is a basic logic.
Shouldn't the bigger question be, why the pathetic weight stipulation in the first place? Floyd certainly thinks it will make a difference.
Re: What difference will weight make in the Floyd - Alvarez fight
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Gandalf
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IamInuit
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Gandalf
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IamInuit
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Gandalf
Cutting weight is hell for any fighter and cutting even a bit more than you are used to can be very significant. He will be eating 4 pieces of lettuce, 2 slices of tomato, and a crumb of bread as his daily meal for a week before the fight. There is a reason he fights in spurts and it is because he is a drained fighter, he's knackered and cannot do more. This fight will only make it worse and he is fighting the best fighter in the world. He was stupid to agree to the weight.
No offense but people need to stop this. They need to stop this cause its a crock of shit. He weighed in at 153 for Trout and has been 150. 151 etc in previous fights. The difference here is a bigger then normal bowel movement the morning of the weigh in.
You are a smart fellow and I am sure in the boxing books you have read, you have found fighters that have to cut weight take quite extreme approaches to doing so. The CW wasn't put in for a laugh. It is induced to make Canelo weak and make Floyd look better against a bigger guy than he should. It is smoke and mirrors on the part of Floyd.
Canelo will be drained, just like usual, only moreso. Floyd has made no sacrifices. He has fought at 154 and could have done so properly. If it has no bearing, then ask Floyd why he demanded it.
There is no evidence in history to suggest that a guy that weighs near light heavyweight at fight night that fights at 154 has an issue with losing 2 pounds and the facts in this specific case scream out and yet are ignored. The guy has weighed in numerous times near the same weight and as low as 150.
If he loses a close one people that hate Floyd will say the two pounds might have made the difference.
If he loses a lopsided one then the two pounds will take on epic proportion.
But if he sneaks it out or manages to knock Floyd out, that two pounds will have had no significance whatsoever.
Well, you make it difficult to debate fighters who have drained and documented it later with your rather precise stipulations. Of course fighters have lost weight and struggled with it, it is common.
Actually, seeing your post just after, you are simply being a tosser. 2 pounds is a tremendous deal to many fighters who drain in order to make weight. Why should he change weight class, when Floyd is reducing him from his own weight class? Canelo can make 154 just right, but 152 is only going to make it harder. It is a basic logic.
Shouldn't the bigger question be, why the pathetic weight stipulation in the first place? Floyd certainly thinks it will make a difference.
People did this kind of thing all the time w/o it being labelled a catch-weight. Its where the phrase p4p comes from. People use that phrase all the time today and then cry about this insignificance. The only p4p fighter in this matchup is Floyd. If that two pounds is the end all for this 20 something in his prime who has weighed under 154 more often then not then he might want to think of a different line of work.
Re: What difference will weight make in the Floyd - Alvarez fight
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Gandalf
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IamInuit
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Gandalf
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IamInuit
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Gandalf
Cutting weight is hell for any fighter and cutting even a bit more than you are used to can be very significant. He will be eating 4 pieces of lettuce, 2 slices of tomato, and a crumb of bread as his daily meal for a week before the fight. There is a reason he fights in spurts and it is because he is a drained fighter, he's knackered and cannot do more. This fight will only make it worse and he is fighting the best fighter in the world. He was stupid to agree to the weight.
No offense but people need to stop this. They need to stop this cause its a crock of shit. He weighed in at 153 for Trout and has been 150. 151 etc in previous fights. The difference here is a bigger then normal bowel movement the morning of the weigh in.
You are a smart fellow and I am sure in the boxing books you have read, you have found fighters that have to cut weight take quite extreme approaches to doing so. The CW wasn't put in for a laugh. It is induced to make Canelo weak and make Floyd look better against a bigger guy than he should. It is smoke and mirrors on the part of Floyd.
Canelo will be drained, just like usual, only moreso. Floyd has made no sacrifices. He has fought at 154 and could have done so properly. If it has no bearing, then ask Floyd why he demanded it.
There is no evidence in history to suggest that a guy that weighs near light heavyweight at fight night that fights at 154 has an issue with losing 2 pounds and the facts in this specific case scream out and yet are ignored. The guy has weighed in numerous times near the same weight and as low as 150.
If he loses a close one people that hate Floyd will say the two pounds might have made the difference.
If he loses a lopsided one then the two pounds will take on epic proportion.
But if he sneaks it out or manages to knock Floyd out, that two pounds will have had no significance whatsoever.
Well, you make it difficult to debate fighters who have drained and documented it later with your rather precise stipulations. Of course fighters have lost weight and struggled with it, it is common.
Actually, seeing your post just after, you are simply being a tosser. 2 pounds is a tremendous deal to many fighters who drain in order to make weight. Why should he change weight class, when Floyd is reducing him from his own weight class? Canelo can make 154 just right, but 152 is only going to make it harder. It is a basic logic.
Shouldn't the bigger question be, why the pathetic weight stipulation in the first place? Floyd certainly thinks it will make a difference.
People did this kind of thing all the time w/o it being labelled a catch-weight. Its where the phrase p4p comes from. People use that phrase all the time today and then cry about this insignificance. The only p4p fighter in this matchup is Floyd. If that two pounds is the end all for this 20 something in his prime who has weighed under 154 more often then not then he might want to think of a different line of work.
I don't agree in the slightest. We have weights now and you only deviate if you are uncomfortable and want an advantage and Floyd has done that. Floyd failed to meet the full requirements and thus it does have an impact on the fight. Money runs the game and Canelo has his pay day. However, it was stupid to agree to a kilogram extra being lost. It only helps Floyd, who knows his man will be less active than normal. Canelo takes long rounds off.
Re: What difference will weight make in the Floyd - Alvarez fight
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Gandalf
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IamInuit
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Gandalf
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IamInuit
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Gandalf
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IamInuit
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Gandalf
Cutting weight is hell for any fighter and cutting even a bit more than you are used to can be very significant. He will be eating 4 pieces of lettuce, 2 slices of tomato, and a crumb of bread as his daily meal for a week before the fight. There is a reason he fights in spurts and it is because he is a drained fighter, he's knackered and cannot do more. This fight will only make it worse and he is fighting the best fighter in the world. He was stupid to agree to the weight.
No offense but people need to stop this. They need to stop this cause its a crock of shit. He weighed in at 153 for Trout and has been 150. 151 etc in previous fights. The difference here is a bigger then normal bowel movement the morning of the weigh in.
You are a smart fellow and I am sure in the boxing books you have read, you have found fighters that have to cut weight take quite extreme approaches to doing so. The CW wasn't put in for a laugh. It is induced to make Canelo weak and make Floyd look better against a bigger guy than he should. It is smoke and mirrors on the part of Floyd.
Canelo will be drained, just like usual, only moreso. Floyd has made no sacrifices. He has fought at 154 and could have done so properly. If it has no bearing, then ask Floyd why he demanded it.
There is no evidence in history to suggest that a guy that weighs near light heavyweight at fight night that fights at 154 has an issue with losing 2 pounds and the facts in this specific case scream out and yet are ignored. The guy has weighed in numerous times near the same weight and as low as 150.
If he loses a close one people that hate Floyd will say the two pounds might have made the difference.
If he loses a lopsided one then the two pounds will take on epic proportion.
But if he sneaks it out or manages to knock Floyd out, that two pounds will have had no significance whatsoever.
Well, you make it difficult to debate fighters who have drained and documented it later with your rather precise stipulations. Of course fighters have lost weight and struggled with it, it is common.
Actually, seeing your post just after, you are simply being a tosser. 2 pounds is a tremendous deal to many fighters who drain in order to make weight. Why should he change weight class, when Floyd is reducing him from his own weight class? Canelo can make 154 just right, but 152 is only going to make it harder. It is a basic logic.
Shouldn't the bigger question be, why the pathetic weight stipulation in the first place? Floyd certainly thinks it will make a difference.
People did this kind of thing all the time w/o it being labelled a catch-weight. Its where the phrase p4p comes from. People use that phrase all the time today and then cry about this insignificance. The only p4p fighter in this matchup is Floyd. If that two pounds is the end all for this 20 something in his prime who has weighed under 154 more often then not then he might want to think of a different line of work.
I don't agree in the slightest. We have weights now and you only deviate if you are uncomfortable and want an advantage and Floyd has done that. Floyd failed to meet the full requirements and thus it does have an impact on the fight. Money runs the game and Canelo has his pay day. However, it was stupid to agree to a kilogram extra being lost. It only helps Floyd, who knows his man will be less active than normal. Canelo takes long rounds off.
Look I cant stand catchweight fights for titles. Ok so just to be clear but this is what it is. A light heavyweight verses a natural welterweight. The two pounds will be water and easily gained back. The notion that this will weaken Alvarez is ridiculous. Dawson was weakened, Roy was weakened. That's because they had to break down muscle and not lose water. The difference almost has its own taste. Its a built in excuse in this case. Nothing more. A ready made excuse.
Re: What difference will weight make in the Floyd - Alvarez fight
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Sorry this might be a bit of a crap question for you guys but Im not too sure of the finer details of the divisons below heavyweight. In the build up to the Mayweather Alvarez fight I've been reading lots about Alvarez's weight and how during fight night he'll be something like 170 lbs because of hydraytion and with 30 days to go he was still something like 14 lbs over the weight limit. Obviously Mayweather is around 150 lbs, but does weight really make much of a difference to the fight?
It's not a crap question at all, in fact it's a very good question. You've already seen all the responses to the question. Now consider this one: Alvarez in more ways than one resembles his countryman, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. Going hell bent on losing weight to make a weight that does not suit his body. Then rehydrating an ungodly amount to where he'll weigh 20-30 pounds more than his opponent at fight time. It's an unfair advantage... and you've got to be blind or clueless to think otherwise. Difference is: JCC Jr. has already been caught doing it with banned substances (diuretics). Alvarez hasn't been accused of that yet. Forget the norm of fighting at your natural weight... only losing the weight gained naturally between fights. Alvarez and JCC Jr. force themselves several weight divisions downward, in order to exploit the size advantage they'll have in the ring. It's bogus... but it's legal.
Re: What difference will weight make in the Floyd - Alvarez fight
Cutting weight is like anything else some fighters are able to do it better then others. It has been in this sport for some time and some people have mastered it pretty well. If you can make the weight and still fight then all is fair in the ring i would say i am looking forward to the fight.
