If he beat the shit out of Patterson and Liston, I would have had him #1 of all time for sure.
To whip a fast prime guy like Patterson, and a much bigger, heavier Liston, that would have really been special.
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If he beat the shit out of Patterson and Liston, I would have had him #1 of all time for sure.
To whip a fast prime guy like Patterson, and a much bigger, heavier Liston, that would have really been special.
not too old for lil' floyd. and if he was olding around the edges, his old punch would still have crystallized lil' floyd's chandelier chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
jahanssen wasnt in the spotlight in 56 that I know of anyway. hadnt fought outside of stockholm or gothenborg sweden in his life until he went to nyc in 59. that fight couldnt have been made in 56 or even 57 bcuz the guy was virtually unknown outside of sweden.
as for sonny boy, he was a jailbird at the time I believe, so that fight couldnt have been made either.
I think Nino Valdes wouldve been a clear challenge for Rocky and it wouldve been a great fight, with Rocky winning by late stoppage.
I believe Rocky told the truth when he said he felt like he still had "2 or 3 more good fights" left in him. That would take him into early 1957. Like I said he would have to fight those "2 or 3 fights" rather quickly, no way could he fight once every 7 months. He would have had to have fought in early '56, then late '56 right after without getting too out of shape, and his Gran Finale had to be no later than Spring or early Summer '57.
I truly believe in June of 1957 nobody still could have licked Rocky. But if he tried pushing into 1958 I will agree with his crouching style he would have been burnt out.
I definitely feel that Rocky's retirement was due to money problems, his manger's split made these matches seem like a pipe dream. It's amazing how Big Al Weill got away with it but that was then.
I am sure King has done worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
You're right I forgot about that snake!
The original Floyd MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Did joe louis' last two big fights make him an all time great? His loss to Charles and loss to Marciano?
had he retired before those last two big losses to charles, marciano, you wouldnt consider him an all time great? of course louis is an all time great. marciano didnt have anything left to prove.
jim jeffries retired for the first time at 29 years old. his last loss against jack johnson nearly 6 years later didnt make him an all time great, his 21 fights, (yes only 22 fights in his career) made him an all time great, and if you don't think jeffries is an all time great, there is something wrong. Same with Marciano.