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Originally Posted by El Kabong
He did. Hard to say why he switched again, although Roach is no slouch. I think the only mistake Cotto has made with trainers was going with personal trainer Santiago..... who knew diddly squat about boxing strategy.
yea, only difference between the scenario is Cotto has already gone in and proven himself against ELITE FIGHTERS and is already by the end of his career, he wont have probs with Rodriguez but what's Jr's excuse to losing to a journey man that is a career long Jr Middleweight whom Jr outweighed by by a good 20 lbs on fight night, the third opponent he's had from The Contender, and is gonna be heading to a rematch lol Vanda schooled him, and then Vera did, fuckin pathetic, so what's your excuse that he's had to rematch not one but TWO PRETENDERS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo we in agreement that Rodriguez ain't shit. Good. So there shouldn't be any pretending that Rodriguez is some kind of great win when Cotto smashes him. Or Rodriguez all of a sudden is some how a good fighter if Cotto struggles with himQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe will, he's not JCC JR, so he doesn't get schooled by cast members of The PretenderQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Vera ain't no world beater. But he's shown improvement under Shields. Only fighter ever to beat Dzinziruk besides him is Sergio Martinez. So there's proof there. Now I know you have no idea who the fuck Dzinziruk is. So to you that means he automatically sucks. But ask around. Dzinziruk was a good fighter. Ask your fellow Filipinos. They might knowQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea, only difference between the scenario is Cotto has already gone in and proven himself against ELITE FIGHTERS and is already by the end of his career, he wont have probs with Rodriguez but what's Jr's excuse to losing to a journey man that is a career long Jr Middleweight whom Jr outweighed by by a good 20 lbs on fight night, the third opponent he's had from The Contender, and is gonna be heading to a rematch lol Vanda schooled him, and then Vera did, fuckin pathetic, so what's your excuse that he's had to rematch not one but TWO PRETENDERS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo we in agreement that Rodriguez ain't shit. Good. So there shouldn't be any pretending that Rodriguez is some kind of great win when Cotto smashes him. Or Rodriguez all of a sudden is some how a good fighter if Cotto struggles with himQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe will, he's not JCC JR, so he doesn't get schooled by cast members of The PretenderQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Is it even possible to have one thread on here concerning a Puerto Rican or Mexican fighter or both without this ubiquitous bullshit?
Don't even have to worry. That's gonna change. EM just found out he's Filipino. So he won't be ruining threads with this Puerto Rico nonsense any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
By the way, do me a favor. Tell him Serhiy Dzinziruk was actually a pretty good fighter. He doesn't know who he is
are you retarded?! Dzinziruk's two best wins were a close decision win against Santos and a competitive fight against Julio, he was horribly inactiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseVera ain't no world beater. But he's shown improvement under Shields. Only fighter ever to beat Dzinziruk besides him is Sergio Martinez. So there's proof there. Now I know you have no idea who the fuck Dzinziruk is. So to you that means he automatically sucks. But ask around. Dzinziruk was a good fighter. Ask your fellow Filipinos. They might knowQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea, only difference between the scenario is Cotto has already gone in and proven himself against ELITE FIGHTERS and is already by the end of his career, he wont have probs with Rodriguez but what's Jr's excuse to losing to a journey man that is a career long Jr Middleweight whom Jr outweighed by by a good 20 lbs on fight night, the third opponent he's had from The Contender, and is gonna be heading to a rematch lol Vanda schooled him, and then Vera did, fuckin pathetic, so what's your excuse that he's had to rematch not one but TWO PRETENDERS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo we in agreement that Rodriguez ain't shit. Good. So there shouldn't be any pretending that Rodriguez is some kind of great win when Cotto smashes him. Or Rodriguez all of a sudden is some how a good fighter if Cotto struggles with himQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe will, he's not JCC JR, so he doesn't get schooled by cast members of The PretenderQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
he was a good fighter but never anything out of this world, he was a slightly better version of Felix Sturm
and wtf does that have to do with anything? the mere fact that Chavez had Vera a solid 3 divisions higher than he's ever fought, and the fact that Jr was a Cruiserweight on fight night diminishes any excuse for why he got his ass beat by a limited jr middleweight, 2nd fight in the same month where a fighter who's younger, has a big size advantage, and outweighs his opponent by at LEAST 15 lbs, still gets his ass completely beat, at least when it happened with Canelo he made weight and lost to the best fighter on the face of the planet, that's why he catches a break, Chavez lost to a guy who was on a reality series, Vera's basically boxing's equivalent of The Miz on WWE :-X
If you ever saw Roach (steward, etc..) in the gym...Or, a fighter that has been fighting awhile in the gym... then you would know how little difference a trainer (generally) other than the first really makes.
Like I said Vera is no world beater. But he's improved working with Shields. Before Shields he doesn't stand a chance of beating Serhiy Dzinziruk. And beating Dzinziruk is way more than anything Delvin Rodrigez has ever done.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesare you retarded?! Dzinziruk's two best wins were a close decision win against Santos and a competitive fight against Julio, he was horribly inactiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseVera ain't no world beater. But he's shown improvement under Shields. Only fighter ever to beat Dzinziruk besides him is Sergio Martinez. So there's proof there. Now I know you have no idea who the fuck Dzinziruk is. So to you that means he automatically sucks. But ask around. Dzinziruk was a good fighter. Ask your fellow Filipinos. They might knowQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea, only difference between the scenario is Cotto has already gone in and proven himself against ELITE FIGHTERS and is already by the end of his career, he wont have probs with Rodriguez but what's Jr's excuse to losing to a journey man that is a career long Jr Middleweight whom Jr outweighed by by a good 20 lbs on fight night, the third opponent he's had from The Contender, and is gonna be heading to a rematch lol Vanda schooled him, and then Vera did, fuckin pathetic, so what's your excuse that he's had to rematch not one but TWO PRETENDERS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo we in agreement that Rodriguez ain't shit. Good. So there shouldn't be any pretending that Rodriguez is some kind of great win when Cotto smashes him. Or Rodriguez all of a sudden is some how a good fighter if Cotto struggles with himQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe will, he's not JCC JR, so he doesn't get schooled by cast members of The PretenderQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
he was a good fighter but never anything out of this world, he was a slightly better version of Felix Sturm
and wtf does that have to do with anything? the mere fact that Chavez had Vera a solid 3 divisions higher than he's ever fought, and the fact that Jr was a Cruiserweight on fight night diminishes any excuse for why he got his ass beat by a limited jr middleweight, 2nd fight in the same month where a fighter who's younger, has a big size advantage, and outweighs his opponent by at LEAST 15 lbs, still gets his ass completely beat, at least when it happened with Canelo he made weight and lost to the best fighter on the face of the planet, that's why he catches a break, Chavez lost to a guy who was on a reality series, Vera's basically boxing's equivalent of The Miz on WWE :-X
Than that would make Rodriguez Alex Riley. Miz is indeed garbage. But he did headline Wrestlemania and was WWE champ. Is Riley even still alive?
Roach was a hooker. His dad probably was. I just had a flash back of Kramer on the subway over hearing thoughts on a horse race. All his fighters are and have been. He thinks its a consistent lead. Cotto is a hooker. Its the punch that got him here. Its also the punch that his opponents capitalized on by timing it with almost expectation. Pedro made him use it wiser. The first words out of Roaches mouth was left hook. Roach has no concept of hit and not be hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
No big accomplishment even with a win over Delvin. What can a half ass trainer / fighter teach a fighter moreQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
accomplished? Cotto is training to
lose by having Roach .
I guess if you add 1/2 ass + 1/2 ass you get an ass hole. Team losers .....
Well, although I count myself among those who were puzzled by Cotto's change from Pedro Diaz to Roach..... I must say I was pleasantly surprised to see the end result in last night's fight. Delvin was not all that.... but Cotto was super-impressive. I was thrilled to see that old aggresion and vicious hooks to the body.