Orlando Salido vs. Vasyl Lomachenko Jan 25 in New York

Quality over quantity. There is a line between padding and refining though and not every guy can ride gold medals into a million dollar payday from jump off. Lets not kid ourselves, Arum is riding his ama promise not his professional accomplishment. Its another planet in pros, as much mentally as physical and Lomachenko has zero room to fall if it goes sideways. I also think its a slap to Salido and guys who have done nothing but grind and earn there bones and scars. The guy becomes champion and in less than 24 hrs Arum props him up as nothing more than a belt warmer. Salido better bring his own judges, own ref and maybe a bat. On the other extreme a guy like Wilder a has don nothing...and he also won a Gold medal.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Quality over quantity. There is a line between padding and refining though and not every guy can ride gold medals into a million dollar payday from jump off. Lets not kid ourselves, Arum is riding his ama promise not his professional accomplishment. Its another planet in pros, as much mentally as physical and Lomachenko has zero room to fall if it goes sideways. I also think its a slap to Salido and guys who have done nothing but grind and earn there bones and scars. The guy becomes champion and in less than 24 hrs Arum props him up as nothing more than a belt warmer. Salido better bring his own judges, own ref and maybe a bat. On the other extreme a guy like Wilder a has don nothing...and he also won a Gold medal.

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I dont think Salido deserbed a shot at the title he just won coming off a big loss. Im afraid thats how boxing is. A lot of people who dont deserve title shots get them. At least Lomachenko looks class and is genuinely world class. We could put a list of undeserving title shots and it would be a mile long

I once used baseballs Ichiro to describe Guillermo Rig. A rookie by MLB standards. But in reality already an all star player. I think this guy Vasly falls in that category. He should of been a pro a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Quality over quantity. There is a line between padding and refining though and not every guy can ride gold medals into a million dollar payday from jump off. Lets not kid ourselves, Arum is riding his ama promise not his professional accomplishment. Its another planet in pros, as much mentally as physical and Lomachenko has zero room to fall if it goes sideways. I also think its a slap to Salido and guys who have done nothing but grind and earn there bones and scars. The guy becomes champion and in less than 24 hrs Arum props him up as nothing more than a belt warmer. Salido better bring his own judges, own ref and maybe a bat. On the other extreme a guy like Wilder a has don nothing...and he also won a Gold medal.

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I dont think Salido deserbed a shot at the title he just won coming off a big loss. Im afraid thats how boxing is. A lot of people who dont deserve title shots get them. At least Lomachenko looks class and is genuinely world class. We could put a list of undeserving title shots and it would be a mile long

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Totally agree there, Salido just got pretty beat down and the trinket was just forfeited by Garcia. So does Lomanchenko beating him really legitimize? But Salido had done his time and earned his keep at least. It was all in the plot having Lomanchenko on the card and it was either Cruz or Salido. I just don't see Lomanchenko as having earned it either. I'm weary of a boxing world where I'm reading amatuers records to pass for pro credentials and no need to Pete Radamacher-ize the sport. There has to be some seperation and work reward process, then again championship belts had become mere sale tags a longtime ago.

This guy is fast becoming a favourite fighter. Its so refreshing to see a guy jump right in to the deep end of the pool instead of hanging out in the toddlers end padding the record.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

This is why looking at just WINS-LOSSES on a pro record is a waste of time. Say Lomachenko by some chance beats Salido (for the record, I think it's waay too soon for that). Lomachenko would then be 2-0 as a pro. On paper..... does that compare with a 40-0 record? Hell no. But then, add the variable of opponents. A 2-0 record against Ramirez and Salido is a hell of a lot better than a 40-0 record against the town drunks, second cousins, and bums making their own pro debuts. Boxing needs regulation.

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I hear you and agree, but when you think about it boxing has plenty of regulation. If you lose more than you win, you don't get to the big money. I hadn't seen Lomachenko until last nite so I'm thinking he's going to get regulated to the back of the pack in January.
Bob Arum is not stupid when it comes to boxing and boxing talent, so there is a question in the back of my mind about what Arum sees that we don't or knows that we don't. The next few months should be interesting.

What the heck is Bob planning??? Maybe nothing.

But remember what happens to fighters when they are rushed? Must we say Michael Bentt? In the pro's, during grueling fights, you get hurt.

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

This is why looking at just WINS-LOSSES on a pro record is a waste of time. Say Lomachenko by some chance beats Salido (for the record, I think it's waay too soon for that). Lomachenko would then be 2-0 as a pro. On paper..... does that compare with a 40-0 record? Hell no. But then, add the variable of opponents. A 2-0 record against Ramirez and Salido is a hell of a lot better than a 40-0 record against the town drunks, second cousins, and bums making their own pro debuts. Boxing needs regulation.

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I hear you and agree, but when you think about it boxing has plenty of regulation. If you lose more than you win, you don't get to the big money. I hadn't seen Lomachenko until last nite so I'm thinking he's going to get regulated to the back of the pack in January.
Bob Arum is not stupid when it comes to boxing and boxing talent, so there is a question in the back of my mind about what Arum sees that we don't or knows that we don't. The next few months should be interesting.

What the heck is Bob planning??? Maybe nothing.

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Arum has made history by having the shortest record champion ever. If all goes according to plan, he would have the shortest record world champion in Lomanchenko. Champion in 2 fights?

Arum saw that body shot Lom hit Ramirez with in Lom's gym against his sparring partners... the guy (Lomanchenko) can pour it on, no doubt.

I liked what I saw from Lomachenko last night. The skill set is obvious. His style is all wrong for Salido. It would be the Garcia fight all over. It was good to see Salido bash the fag. But against Lomachenko I think he's the one getting bashed

the thing with saildo is that he doesnt quit. even when he seems to be losing, he will get better as the fight goes on. if you watched the garcia fight, he started doing well before the fight got stopped. the question is then can lomachenko withstand a late fight surge?

Whatever happens against Salido, Lomachenko isnt going to have it easy and he's going to have to earn the victory cuz Salido is going to pressure him constantly. Loma's heart and durability is going to be tested here.

Huge fan of Salido and I hope he kicks Loma's ass.

it isnt just the fight against salido thats the issue, he has to sustain it then and stay at that level

unless he gives up the belt

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Originally Posted by erics44

it isnt just the fight against salido thats the issue, he has to sustain it then and stay at that level

unless he gives up the belt

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Given the expectations and weight put on this kid it'll be very very difficult to go backwards and hit reset if things go sideways, as they often do in the ring on any given night. He obviously has pedigree but its not been plied in extreme fire. To me, this is far far more about Bob Arum than it is Lomanchenko and there just isn't a need. He's THAT quality build, dust a couple top contenders and expand the general fan base beyond hardcore fans. Fighting fights early doesnt mean they have to be 'stiffs'. Ffs let the kid fight to be seen and enjoy the fruits of his labor. Straight out of the pan into the fire and you do not get to 'learn backwards'.

He needs to think long term, Arum with the gold bricks will dump his ass in a minute if "shit happens" and then what base does he have for himself, career and profession.

What I suspect many people don't know is you regularly fight better fighters in the amateurs if you are a top amateur. The prep fights are against bums in comparison to the talent you fought as an amateur. The point of those prep fights is to get used to different gloves , no headgear, and to alter your style to suit the pros. It is by no means to get used to pro talent. If he's demonstrated behind the scenes he's comfortable with the differences from amateur to pro then there is no need to prepare him. So get it on, Salido is going to get sacrificed.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

This guy is on the fast tracks ey. He's moving faster than Kazuto Ioka and Inoue.. That's pretty amazing.

But Arum better not get ahead of himself cuz Salido is always dangerous. I can't believe he'd risk a top prospect against somone like Salido.

It wouldnt be a surprise to see Lomachenko get wrecked. Salido is a hard ass veteran who has seen it all. This is one of the guys in boxing who came up the hard way and became a real fighter over time. Fighters like this are very dangerous.

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Good post. Here's the thing, by fighting Salido so early, is he to be able to develop a fan base before he bites off more than he can chew? Think about it. Mikey Garcia only recently stepped up his level of competition to the Salido level.

We have to applaud him for taking the risk. I agree Salido is a tough veteran.