Vasyl Lomachenko, real deal..?

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Violet talks so much shit, I've lost track of it all. The latest was his tirade about how Orlando Cruz deserves to die and shit like that. He gets a free pass, as was mentioned by someone else with brains in here. I respond.... and get all kinds of shit.

Know what? F*ck that. The gloves are off. Ain't gonna be no control in this god forsaken place? I'll take matters into my own hands. Frankly, I'm tired of pussy-footing around this goddam idiot because everybody else is scared of the bigoted, ignorant bastard.

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You're taking this stuff way to serious. You guys don't like each other. So i know you're not going to agree with this. But the problem seems to be that he's in your head. He gets to you way to easily. You react to everything he says. And its gotten really out of hand. A lot of good threads are being ruined by you guys constantly bickering. Both you guys are to blame. But Im a be honest here. I think you're a little more at fault. And here's why. You both bait each other. And you both bite. But you don't seem to get to him the way he gets to you. Its seems like he runs into your posts when he posts while you actually seek out his posts. You're not only taking all his bait but you're taking bait that's not even there. This thead is a good example. You got upset over nothing. His comment regarding Verdejo wasn't a slight against him. It's actually one that makes a lot of sense. With a lot of Puerto Rico prospects coming up short recently, I can see them being extra careful with him. If anybody else would of said that I don't think it would of upset you. But since it came from him It did. That just my opinion on how I think things have been going. I think you're both good posters. But this has gotten way out of hand.

So looks like Salido is next in Jan , I think its brilliant new that this kid wants that in his 2nd fight.

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Originally Posted by smashup

So looks like Salido is next in Jan , I think its brilliant new that this kid wants that in his 2nd fight.

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by smashup

How far can this fella go?

Amazing amateur record with nearly 400 fights and only 1 loss.
Made a good debut and straight into a full on fight and impressed me a lot.

Decent power too , I see a big big future for him ;-)

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I was impressed too. Never seen a guy look that polished in his debut. He already looks a class act and if he keeps improving as he has more fights then he'll be one hard man to beat. Hope they don't make a mistake with matchmaking though in an attempt to make history. He has the style to beat Salido but he'll need more experience to go in there with Rigondeux. A loss after only 3 fights wouldn't look good.

If they take their time though I'm predicting this guy will be will be on the p4p lists within a couple years

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How far can this fella go?

Amazing amateur record with nearly 400 fights and only 1 loss.
Made a good debut and straight into a full on fight and impressed me a lot.

Decent power too , I see a big big future for him ;-)

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Tough question. He's got skills in excess. Its kind of a mirror image of what Arum did with Rigo. We expected him to be fast tracked especially because of age and he was not. Opposite look here for a much younger man. Its kind of brilliant really because even if he loses its not a career ender. He challenged for a world title in his second pro fight.

I think its a mistake to make the fight but who knows. Salido is so tough. He will prepare for this like no other. Even Lamotta beat Robinson once.

Btw I've been trying to find out what Lomachenko's reach is and cant find it anywhere. It's got to be mid 70's.

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He does look so cool and slick , great footwork , is Salido a good fight for him in fight number 2 ? im not sure . However if he takes that fight and wins it would be a fantastic achievement .

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Indeed. If successful its most definitely one for the record books and has never been done in history to my knowledge. Leon Spinks would be the closest in his cough, cough, win against Ali. There have been a few attempts though and the following were title attempts in pro debuts.

Pete Rademacher got a shot at Patterson is his pro debut. 1957
Jack Skelly also against George Dixon in 1892
Rafael Lovera against Luis Estaba IN 1975

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How far can this fella go?

Amazing amateur record with nearly 400 fights and only 1 loss.
Made a good debut and straight into a full on fight and impressed me a lot.

Decent power too , I see a big big future for him ;-)

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Tough question. He's got skills in excess. Its kind of a mirror image of what Arum did with Rigo. We expected him to be fast tracked especially because of age and he was not. Opposite look here for a much younger man. Its kind of brilliant really because even if he loses its not a career ender. He challenged for a world title in his second pro fight.

I think its a mistake to make the fight but who knows. Salido is so tough. He will prepare for this like no other. Even Lamotta beat Robinson once.

Btw I've been trying to find out what Lomachenko's reach is and cant find it anywhere. It's got to be mid 70's.

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He does look so cool and slick , great footwork , is Salido a good fight for him in fight number 2 ? im not sure . However if he takes that fight and wins it would be a fantastic achievement .

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Indeed. If successful its most definitely one for the record books and has never been done in history to my knowledge. Leon Spinks would be the closest in his cough, cough, win against Ali. There have been a few attempts though and the following were title attempts in pro debuts.

Pete Rademacher got a shot at Patterson is his pro debut. 1957
Jack Skelly also against George Dixon in 1892
Rafael Lovera against Luis Estaba IN 1975

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Jeff Fenech won the IBF world bantam title in his 7th fight.

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How far can this fella go?

Amazing amateur record with nearly 400 fights and only 1 loss.
Made a good debut and straight into a full on fight and impressed me a lot.

Decent power too , I see a big big future for him ;-)

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Tough question. He's got skills in excess. Its kind of a mirror image of what Arum did with Rigo. We expected him to be fast tracked especially because of age and he was not. Opposite look here for a much younger man. Its kind of brilliant really because even if he loses its not a career ender. He challenged for a world title in his second pro fight.

I think its a mistake to make the fight but who knows. Salido is so tough. He will prepare for this like no other. Even Lamotta beat Robinson once.

Btw I've been trying to find out what Lomachenko's reach is and cant find it anywhere. It's got to be mid 70's.

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He does look so cool and slick , great footwork , is Salido a good fight for him in fight number 2 ? im not sure . However if he takes that fight and wins it would be a fantastic achievement .

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Indeed. If successful its most definitely one for the record books and has never been done in history to my knowledge. Leon Spinks would be the closest in his cough, cough, win against Ali. There have been a few attempts though and the following were title attempts in pro debuts.

Pete Rademacher got a shot at Patterson is his pro debut. 1957
Jack Skelly also against George Dixon in 1892
Rafael Lovera against Luis Estaba IN 1975

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Jeff Fenech won the IBF world bantam title in his 7th fight.

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How could I forget Saensak Muangsurin? Got the 140 tin in his 3rd.

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How far can this fella go?

Amazing amateur record with nearly 400 fights and only 1 loss.
Made a good debut and straight into a full on fight and impressed me a lot.

Decent power too , I see a big big future for him ;-)

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Tough question. He's got skills in excess. Its kind of a mirror image of what Arum did with Rigo. We expected him to be fast tracked especially because of age and he was not. Opposite look here for a much younger man. Its kind of brilliant really because even if he loses its not a career ender. He challenged for a world title in his second pro fight.

I think its a mistake to make the fight but who knows. Salido is so tough. He will prepare for this like no other. Even Lamotta beat Robinson once.

Btw I've been trying to find out what Lomachenko's reach is and cant find it anywhere. It's got to be mid 70's.

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He does look so cool and slick , great footwork , is Salido a good fight for him in fight number 2 ? im not sure . However if he takes that fight and wins it would be a fantastic achievement .

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Indeed. If successful its most definitely one for the record books and has never been done in history to my knowledge. Leon Spinks would be the closest in his cough, cough, win against Ali. There have been a few attempts though and the following were title attempts in pro debuts.

Pete Rademacher got a shot at Patterson is his pro debut. 1957
Jack Skelly also against George Dixon in 1892
Rafael Lovera against Luis Estaba IN 1975

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Jeff Fenech won the IBF world bantam title in his 7th fight.

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How could I forget Saensak Muangsurin? Got the 140 tin in his 3rd.

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I knew someone won in their 3rd fight , you beat me to it , Fenech was the next quickest I could think of :)

Davey moore won a title in his 9th pro fight, having beaten an undefeated Kevin Rooney on the way.

Veeropol Sahaprom in his fourth. Damn these Thai fighters. That kick boxing background must be the reason.

Is Salido next aiming a bit too high? No one would begrudge the guy for taking a smaller step up in competition.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

You know what VD, I'm getting sick of your ignorant double standards and I don't give a flying f*ck who in here doesn't want anymore P.R.-Mexican battles. They don't like it.... they can go to hell.

Canelo Alvarez's opponents had the following records in his first 8 fights:

0-1
0-1
debut
0-0-1
3-5
2-2
1-1
4-5

All from the comforts of little ol' Jalisco, Mexico. I could go on..... but I assume you can read and can see for yourself what he followed that lineup with. And yet.... Canelito can do no wrong. At least Verdejo has ventured outside his own backyard, unlike some of your coddled Mexican fighters.

You're a f*cking buffoon who tries to intimidate, and it comically seems to work with some idiots in here. Me..... I keep showing you up for the brainless moron you are.

Carry on, f*ckwad.

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Canelo was 16 when he went pro so u can't really use him as a comparison

Lomachenko seems more of "the real deal" than Zou Shimming

Nice to see he has the hunger to skip all the bullshit fights trying to build up his resume. But still, time will tell. I am always cautious with new pros, it's like new pitchers in baseball, sometimes hitters just haven't seen enough of them to prepare, more fights means more film which means more of his tricks/tendencies on tape which makes him easier to study and prepare for. But here's hoping he continues his success.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

He is not better than Rigo and nonito or anything but he's good.

Im more impressed by russell and felix verdejo

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What are you basing this on? I'm curious. He was regarded by most as the best fighter ever in the amateurs. He beat a decent fighter in his first pro and looked impressive doing so. He is fighting a solid fighter for a world title in his 2nd where he will be a massive betting favorite. Can't really see how you have men more impressed with Russell or Verdejo. As for not being as good as Nonito or Rigo only time will tell but there is very little between them in my eyes and given his size advantage over Rigo he will have a very good chance v him if the fight does go ahead in the next year or so

Suicide surely??

I mean this has to go wrong. Salido is a top competitor, a seasoned pro, hard as nails and has beat the shit out of some serious fighters. No, no no no... I'm calling suicide on this one.

Epic fail.