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Well the pendulum swings both ways. Give Wlad his brothers chin and he'd be indestructible with his skill set. I'm sure he would not be so prone to grab and protect it at all costs. Conversely give Vitali his brothers chin and considering his fighting style and he'd probably have the record of Eric Crumble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
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Originally Posted by GandalfI don't think hugging someone to death is tantamount to outboxing anyone. Are you really suggesting that the likes of the last fight are defendable tactics? If I were to see you and constantly hug you, what would you do? If I knew I could do that for 36 minutes and get away with it and take home millions of pounds, then I can see why he does it. But it isn't right and if millions are watching then they are not wrong in wanting to take a cold shower afterwards. It's dodgy and that of course is what bullshit is.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
Trust me you'd hit the deck like a sack of shit :)
Wlad knows he can do it and get away with it so like I said its down to the opponent to figure out a way to beat him ;-)
True, but it didn't swing both ways though. One has a great chin and the other has a useless one. Vitali is a fighter that could clearly fight with anyone, Wlad on the other hand looks like a protected sibling and not only from big brother, but from referees too. His last fight was just shocking. He didn't even turn up to box, he just held on.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitWell the pendulum swings both ways. Give Wlad his brothers chin and he'd be indestructible with his skill set. I'm sure he would not be so prone to grab and protect it at all costs. Conversely give Vitali his brothers chin and considering his fighting style and he'd probably have the record of Eric Crumble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Oh I agree. He was more exciting a fighter when he got sparked out but the point is to not get sparked out. I agree with you that he has been coddled in multiple ways. Its almost like there is a rules shift whenever he fights in order to accommodate his style. His opponents must share a portion of the blame because they cant figure out a way in and then the grappling commences. Agree with everything you said though.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTrue, but it didn't swing both ways though. One has a great chin and the other has a useless one. Vitali is a fighter that could clearly fight with anyone, Wlad on the other hand looks like a protected sibling and not only from big brother, but from referees too. His last fight was just shocking. He didn't even turn up to box, he just held on.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitWell the pendulum swings both ways. Give Wlad his brothers chin and he'd be indestructible with his skill set. I'm sure he would not be so prone to grab and protect it at all costs. Conversely give Vitali his brothers chin and considering his fighting style and he'd probably have the record of Eric Crumble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Oh, so you are more of a fighter than Wlad then. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI don't think hugging someone to death is tantamount to outboxing anyone. Are you really suggesting that the likes of the last fight are defendable tactics? If I were to see you and constantly hug you, what would you do? If I knew I could do that for 36 minutes and get away with it and take home millions of pounds, then I can see why he does it. But it isn't right and if millions are watching then they are not wrong in wanting to take a cold shower afterwards. It's dodgy and that of course is what bullshit is.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
Trust me you'd hit the deck like a sack of shit :)
Wlad knows he can do it and get away with it so like I said its down to the opponent to figure out a way to beat him ;-)
You have just admitted that he cheats and gets away with it, so it clearly has nothing to do with outboxing anybody.
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Originally Posted by GandalfOh, so you are more of a fighter than Wlad then. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI don't think hugging someone to death is tantamount to outboxing anyone. Are you really suggesting that the likes of the last fight are defendable tactics? If I were to see you and constantly hug you, what would you do? If I knew I could do that for 36 minutes and get away with it and take home millions of pounds, then I can see why he does it. But it isn't right and if millions are watching then they are not wrong in wanting to take a cold shower afterwards. It's dodgy and that of course is what bullshit is.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
Trust me you'd hit the deck like a sack of shit :)
Wlad knows he can do it and get away with it so like I said its down to the opponent to figure out a way to beat him ;-)
You have just admitted that he cheats and gets away with it, so it clearly has nothing to do with outboxing anybody.
Wtf are you banging on about ?
I haven't admited or claimed anything I simply said if you tried to hug me id drop you.
I dont even watch either brother fight anymore as they bore me , what I am saying is you cant blame either of them if they keep winning.
All they do is beat the shit put in front of them.
Haye had a great chance but fought like a wanker.. Chisora did well but simply wasn't a good enough to win but proved they aint invincible at all.
You just need to work out the puzzle they create.
Both Brothers do the basics v v well lets not forget.
True, but surely before the fight this needs to be made into a serious issue. Margarito and the hand wraps became serious and so people became vocal. Likewise, fighters need to make this vocal and challenge what is a very obvious spoiling tactic. It's almost as though part of the contract is to say nothing against Wlad. It's been happening for a long time now.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitOh I agree. He was more exciting a fighter when he got sparked out but the point is to not get sparked out. I agree with you that he has been coddled in multiple ways. Its almost like there is a rules shift whenever he fights in order to accommodate his style. His opponents must share a portion of the blame because they cant figure out a way in and then the grappling commences. Agree with everything you said though.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTrue, but it didn't swing both ways though. One has a great chin and the other has a useless one. Vitali is a fighter that could clearly fight with anyone, Wlad on the other hand looks like a protected sibling and not only from big brother, but from referees too. His last fight was just shocking. He didn't even turn up to box, he just held on.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitWell the pendulum swings both ways. Give Wlad his brothers chin and he'd be indestructible with his skill set. I'm sure he would not be so prone to grab and protect it at all costs. Conversely give Vitali his brothers chin and considering his fighting style and he'd probably have the record of Eric Crumble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Wlad isn't just a bum, he does what he does. But it shouldn't be a case of buying off a referee to have things go in your favour. As I said, it's like a banker who knows he will never pay the penalty. Take the millions and just keep on hugging.
WTF are you banging on about? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfOh, so you are more of a fighter than Wlad then. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI don't think hugging someone to death is tantamount to outboxing anyone. Are you really suggesting that the likes of the last fight are defendable tactics? If I were to see you and constantly hug you, what would you do? If I knew I could do that for 36 minutes and get away with it and take home millions of pounds, then I can see why he does it. But it isn't right and if millions are watching then they are not wrong in wanting to take a cold shower afterwards. It's dodgy and that of course is what bullshit is.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
Trust me you'd hit the deck like a sack of shit :)
Wlad knows he can do it and get away with it so like I said its down to the opponent to figure out a way to beat him ;-)
You have just admitted that he cheats and gets away with it, so it clearly has nothing to do with outboxing anybody.
Wtf are you banging on about ?
I haven't admited or claimed anything I simply said if you tried to hug me id drop you.
I dont even watch either brother fight anymore as they bore me , what I am saying is you cant blame either of them if they keep winning.
All they do is beat the shit put in front of them.
Haye had a great chance but fought like a wanker.. Chisora did well but simply wasn't a good enough to win but proved they aint invincible at all.
You just need to work out the puzzle they create.
Both Brothers do the basics v v well lets not forget.
I simply said that your previous statement was an obvious contradiction.
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Originally Posted by GandalfWTF are you banging on about? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfOh, so you are more of a fighter than Wlad then. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI don't think hugging someone to death is tantamount to outboxing anyone. Are you really suggesting that the likes of the last fight are defendable tactics? If I were to see you and constantly hug you, what would you do? If I knew I could do that for 36 minutes and get away with it and take home millions of pounds, then I can see why he does it. But it isn't right and if millions are watching then they are not wrong in wanting to take a cold shower afterwards. It's dodgy and that of course is what bullshit is.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
Trust me you'd hit the deck like a sack of shit :)
Wlad knows he can do it and get away with it so like I said its down to the opponent to figure out a way to beat him ;-)
You have just admitted that he cheats and gets away with it, so it clearly has nothing to do with outboxing anybody.
Wtf are you banging on about ?
I haven't admited or claimed anything I simply said if you tried to hug me id drop you.
I dont even watch either brother fight anymore as they bore me , what I am saying is you cant blame either of them if they keep winning.
All they do is beat the shit put in front of them.
Haye had a great chance but fought like a wanker.. Chisora did well but simply wasn't a good enough to win but proved they aint invincible at all.
You just need to work out the puzzle they create.
Both Brothers do the basics v v well lets not forget.
I simply said that your previous statement was an obvious contradiction.
No contradiction from anything I've said.
If he gets away with 'hugging' thats the refs fault not his.
And like I've said 3-4 times its down the other fighter to get round that and not allow him to do so.
You outbox Vitali if you can.
You rough Wlad up and spark him if you can.
Thats the way you beat these guys but no one has what it takes in the division to do that.
Let me make it simple for you .....
Prime Tyson at 5ft 10 and 15 stone would hqve destroyed Wlad in 1 -2 rounds regardless of any 'hugging' tactics.
;-)
You are backtracking. 'Getting away with it' means you did something wrong, so don't be disingenuous.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWTF are you banging on about? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfOh, so you are more of a fighter than Wlad then. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI don't think hugging someone to death is tantamount to outboxing anyone. Are you really suggesting that the likes of the last fight are defendable tactics? If I were to see you and constantly hug you, what would you do? If I knew I could do that for 36 minutes and get away with it and take home millions of pounds, then I can see why he does it. But it isn't right and if millions are watching then they are not wrong in wanting to take a cold shower afterwards. It's dodgy and that of course is what bullshit is.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
Trust me you'd hit the deck like a sack of shit :)
Wlad knows he can do it and get away with it so like I said its down to the opponent to figure out a way to beat him ;-)
You have just admitted that he cheats and gets away with it, so it clearly has nothing to do with outboxing anybody.
Wtf are you banging on about ?
I haven't admited or claimed anything I simply said if you tried to hug me id drop you.
I dont even watch either brother fight anymore as they bore me , what I am saying is you cant blame either of them if they keep winning.
All they do is beat the shit put in front of them.
Haye had a great chance but fought like a wanker.. Chisora did well but simply wasn't a good enough to win but proved they aint invincible at all.
You just need to work out the puzzle they create.
Both Brothers do the basics v v well lets not forget.
I simply said that your previous statement was an obvious contradiction.
No contradiction from anything I've said.
If he gets away with 'hugging' thats the refs fault not his.
And like I've said 3-4 times its down the other fighter to get round that and not allow him to do so.
You outbox Vitali if you can.
You rough Wlad up and spark him if you can.
Thats the way you beat these guys but no one has what it takes in the division to do that.
I said from the off that Vitali is a quality boxer, Wlad on the other hand simply isn't. The last Wlad fight, for instance, was something beyond measure. Did you actually see the fight? Did you enjoy it? Was that boxing? 95% of the people who saw it thought it was grotesque.
He for sure 'got away with it', but most would label it bullshit.
If the ref isn't calling it a foul........then it isn't a foulQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
*all u have to do is beat them... if they suck, it should be easy cuz they're both old too...
Wlad is the hype job for the media. He was the younger of the two, plus the Olympian, which meant that marketers and promoters could get more "value" out of his career. Vitali is much more exciting than Wlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Man, if Vitali had not spent the first part of his adult career as a Kick-boxer, he would have been a much more storied fighter than Wlad.
Impossible, unless he had a step-ladder PLUS at 67 inches in reach he would be giving up 13 inches in reach and 9 inches in height. Marciano fighting Vitali would be like Sugar ray Leonard fighting Larry Holmes, size-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al