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Yes, it's also used if they are concerned the damage is near fatal. The induced coma lets the patient to be put on respiration and or other means of life support. It is not a good condition for a human to be in. It could be the coma keeping him alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
That's the way I always thought about the Gatti and Ward fights. Hopefully we find out he'll be OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I'd rather they quit in the corner than read this.
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
You make a good point, Bean. But it's also a fine line to walk. How many classic wars have we seen down the lines of a Gatti-Ward, Corrales-Castillo..... where defense has been minimal, and the number of head punches absorbed boggle the mind? And as boxing fans we love these wars. Mago may wade in face-first, but he's hardly the only fighter to do that, and not all of them end up in a coma. As for Klitschko "learning a thing or two", can't really blame the commentators for going down that road, especially in light of the horrific stinker Wlad and Povetkin put us through recently.
Don't forget we're talking about the same network that treats Rigondeaux as if he has a disease. They are coming at it strictly from a chest thumping network pov and are doing the utmost to dumb down the sport. Still. Fans are smarter than that, and honestly we all at one time or another celebrate the violence but we ourselves will never be asked to pay the price. I don't fault a Mago for using what he has and whats worked before and I can't expect him to be something he's not, styles make the fights as they say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
LOL... self induced coma?...more like "medically induced", this happens when swelling to the brain is substancial and pressure becomes too high cutting off circulation to the brain... comas induced along with burr holes to relieve pressure... intercranial edema subsides, then fighter may be brought out...u vcan bet he'll have some kinda deficits... rehab will be needed.
For sure, luckily serious boxing injuries and deaths aren't regular occurances. But unfortunately it's getting harder to find guys who aren't punchy after their careers. Especially now with what they've learned about concussions in recent years, and the dangers of the subconcussive blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Of course I love the war, but when I see guys like Magomed marching foward with no defense or head movement (fuck, even Gatti could box and move his head when he wanted to), it's a little scary. Especially when you have so called expert commentators telling people "see, this is how you're supposed to fight". That kind of fighting will lead to many nights in the hospital and probably a horrible quality of life post-career.
As far as Klitschko goes, I'll never fault him for boxing safely for this reason. I do fault him with the excessive holding and fouls he pulled in his last farce though.
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Originally Posted by BeanflickerFor sure, luckily serious boxing injuries and deaths aren't regular occurances. But unfortunately it's getting harder to find guys who aren't punchy after their careers. Especially now with what they've learned about concussions in recent years, and the dangers of the subconcussive blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Of course I love the war, but when I see guys like Magomed marching foward with no defense or head movement (fuck, even Gatti could box and move his head when he wanted to), it's a little scary. Especially when you have so called expert commentators telling people "see, this is how you're supposed to fight". That kind of fighting will lead to many nights in the hospital and probably a horrible quality of life post-career.
As far as Klitschko goes, I'll never fault him for boxing safely for this reason. I do fault him with the excessive holding and fouls he pulled in his last farce though.
I get you bro.
But Klitschko to me is the epitome of why so many fans have been turned off by boxing. It's ok to box and try to "hit and not get hit." But Klitschko truly fights as if he's scared of getting tagged on that chin. So he clutches, pushes off with his mega-long arms, tangles up the opponent, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. Luckily for him, most of his recent opponents are even more scared shitless than him, making for comical, boring fights.
IMO, Klitschko could very easily be more "offense-minded" without giving up his boxing skills and advantages. But to hell with the fans. Klitschko would rather stink up the ring by clutching and mauling than trying to be more fan-friendly.
Somewhere between Wlad and Mago, there's lots of middle ground which we as fans would love to see in the HW division.
Odd eh.Less rds plus less activity equals more injury. Given equal math comparisons, I'd bet more deaths have happened post 15 rd title fights. Now this fight notwithstanding as 99% of corners would have stopped it much earlier. Greb fought 49 times in a year. That's like 4 times a month. Boxers today are almost part time. At the top level they almost make as much with endorsements (local or otherwise) as they do fighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerFor sure, luckily serious boxing injuries and deaths aren't regular occurances. But unfortunately it's getting harder to find guys who aren't punchy after their careers. Especially now with what they've learned about concussions in recent years, and the dangers of the subconcussive blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Of course I love the war, but when I see guys like Magomed marching foward with no defense or head movement (fuck, even Gatti could box and move his head when he wanted to), it's a little scary. Especially when you have so called expert commentators telling people "see, this is how you're supposed to fight". That kind of fighting will lead to many nights in the hospital and probably a horrible quality of life post-career.
As far as Klitschko goes, I'll never fault him for boxing safely for this reason. I do fault him with the excessive holding and fouls he pulled in his last farce though.
All kinds of fighters have faced no pun intended much worse the he did. Some made a career out of it. Its a throw of the dice in this business.
Is there an update on the poor guy?
what I found amusing was the bloodlust the announcers of HBO had over a brawl. Poor boxers who have to suffer because people want to see brawls instead of actual boxing display.
As for Magomed I think usually these procedures last 2-3 days as it happened with my late uncle's wife, although she had a major aneurysm.
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Originally Posted by Britkid
Same as on the weight drained theory but it is very rare a Heavyweight in this condition soon after a fight, its usually a huge factor a fighter being weight drained the fluid surrounding the brain depleted due to dehydration so making the brain less protected to being shaken about.
Just one of those things really and fighters at much lighter weights often used to fight 3-4 times a month in equally brutal fights and over more rounds back in the day and not suffer at all.
Boxing is a brutal sport with the highest reward given to the guy who can , A- knock his opponent down (10-8 round) or , B- Knockout (fight over) his opponent and ultimately is what pugilism is and has always been about, if it wasn't the rules would be different. , The Russian chose to fight that way or was trained badly to ;-) and had no defence at all, suffered a broken hand and nose ,was badly swollen about the face and was repeatedly asking his corner if he was injured during rounds... thats shit cornermen imo and maybe they should have thrown in the towel.
I admire the sweet science , whipping him on points etc side of the sport but I think when it really comes down it the majority of real fight fans wanna see a proper tear up .
I know I do.
Strange how a thread I started about Francisco Leal dying after some seriously suspect aftercare by the ref/paramedics recieves no attention at all.
The guy was visibly dying live on tv slumped against the ringpost ;-)
Whats more brutal... seeing that or a 10 round slugfest?
That's true, but that being said how many of those fights were against absolute pushovers who didn't really have the skill to touch him? There's no way he fought 49 world beaters a year. A lot of those were stay busy type fights I'd say, little more than sparring.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I love to see a war, boxing is a brutal game and guys are gonna end up getting fucked up no matter what you do. I love Ali/Frazier because it was two elite guys forced into a war.
With Magomed, he was in a war because he was unskilled. It's like asking Nascar drivers to drive drunk to make it more entertaining. I think being in a war for the sake of being in a war is retarded. If it's genuine where it's the strategy like a Hearns/Hagler, I love it.
With the Klitschkos, I really admire them as tacticians because they box beautifully. But I'm not so much a fan of the excessive holding and other fouls. But to be fair, we have to concede that they don't do anything that guys like Muhammad Ali didn't do himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Fingers crossed for the next 48 hours for the big fella.
Yup, and we get the "Why doesn't Wlad fight like that?" bitching and complaining....well there's your answer right there. NEVER has a fighter been hurt by a punch that DIDN'T make contact with his head. Willie Pep fought over 240 fights and lived to the ripe old age of 84 specifically because he didn't get hit all that often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I hope Magomed pulls through alright.
Yes it's possible to have entertaining fights where no irreparable damage is done, but there's a correlation between the amount of damage you take and how long your career will last. The more damage you take the shorter you'll be around.